Just registered for the free MSF course that New Jersey offers!!! - Sportbike Addicts

CBRBob · 02-15-2007, 09:06 AM

The class is the same across the country except Oregon. The reason it's free is that the state is stealing the $5 that is tacked onto every motorcycle license renewal to give only a few hundered riders a free class instead of reducing the cost of the class by at least $50 to EVERYONE that takes the class in NJ. So feel good that it's free because it's not, it's costing all of us some $$. I don't mind the $5. I do mind the state grabbing the money to run a class costing several times the going rate. It's like the $700 hammer you hear about.

Depending on your ins. carrier they MAY give you some discount. In NJ, if you take the ERC, they MUST give you a discount on your car ins. (bike carriers might not) and can take pts off your lic. because the ERC is considered a Defensive Driver Course.

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tsxguy77 · 02-15-2007, 11:14 AM

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The reason it's free is that the state is stealing the $5 that is tacked onto every motorcycle license renewal to give only a few hundered riders a free class instead of reducing the cost of the class by at least $50 to EVERYONE that takes the class in NJ. So feel good that it's free because it's not, it's costing all of us some $$. I don't mind the $5. I do mind the state grabbing the money to run a class costing several times the going rate. It's like the $700 hammer you hear about.

Well if its a $5 charge they tack onto license renewal, Thats great still because you only have to renew the license every 4 years, so if I ride a motorcycle for 40 years until I am 70 years old, I will only pay $5 every four years which is only $50 total for a class I would have paid about $250 for, so I dont know where you are getting that $700 hammer idea from.

ffejtable · 02-15-2007, 12:55 PM

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Well if its a $5 charge they tack onto license renewal, Thats great still because you only have to renew the license every 4 years, so if I ride a motorcycle for 40 years until I am 70 years old, I will only pay $5 every four years which is only $50 total for a class I would have paid about $250 for, so I dont know where you are getting that $700 hammer idea from.

*YOU* may have only paid $50 in your lifetime, but maybe 1 in every 25 rider in the state of NJ can even take the class (limited availability). so you multiply that $50 those 25 riders have paid throughout their lifetime and you are actually up to $1250 per per person that the state receives. Of course not everybody has their license for 40 years, but chances are the 1:25 ratio is also closer to 1:100....

tsxguy77 · 02-15-2007, 12:58 PM

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*YOU* may have only paid $50 in your lifetime, but maybe 1 in every 25 rider in the state of NJ can even take the class (limited availability). so you multiply that $50 those 25 riders have paid throughout their lifetime and you are actually up to $1250 per per person that the state receives. Of course not everybody has their license for 40 years, but chances are the 1:25 ratio is also closer to 1:100....

Oh well, not my problem. Anyone can take it if they want to. Just gotta be patient and make some phone calls. So anyway, the most *I* will pay for this is $50 and thats awesome! Everything else is irrelevant to me.

CBRBob · 02-15-2007, 11:25 PM

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Oh well, not my problem.

Yea, so when your tax bill doubles next year don't bitch because we all have to pay in. Thats the mentality that puts asswipes like Corzine in power. Having the govt. run this is just what we DON'T need. It costing riders several times the amt. the going rate and people saying its free. Signing up for welfare anytime soon?

Hey it's no $ out of my pocket, I can't teach enough to keep up with the demand. I just want you to know that the class is in no way free and free does not always = good.

High_Revs_17 · 02-16-2007, 12:14 AM

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Yea, so when your tax bill doubles next year don't bitch because we all have to pay in. Thats the mentality that puts asswipes like Corzine in power. Having the govt. run this is just what we DON'T need. It costing riders several times the amt. the going rate and people saying its free. Signing up for welfare anytime soon?

Hey it's no $ out of my pocket, I can't teach enough to keep up with the demand. I just want you to know that the class is in no way free and free does not always = good.

Is the format the same as Rider-Ed, or are they more forgiving due to their rates, or lack there of?

tsxguy77 · 02-16-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CBRBob

Yea, so when your tax bill doubles next year don't bitch because we all have to pay in. Thats the mentality that puts asswipes like Corzine in power. Having the govt. run this is just what we DON'T need. It costing riders several times the amt. the going rate and people saying its free. Signing up for welfare anytime soon?

Hey it's no $ out of my pocket, I can't teach enough to keep up with the demand. I just want you to know that the class is in no way free and free does not always = good.

Hey, I sure didnt vote for Corzine. But anyway, All I know is Im not dishing out $250 for the class that is being offered elsewhere so Im happy and nothing you say is gonna bring me down. This class looks to be a good thing.

Soooo.........

ffejtable · 02-16-2007, 01:12 AM

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Hey, I sure didnt vote for Corzine. But anyway, All I know is Im not dishing out $250 for the class that is being offered elsewhere so Im happy and nothing you say is gonna bring me down. This class looks to be a good thing.

Soooo.........

Hey I am thrilled you got in, dont get me wrong.. I had actually posted up the details last season for those who could take advantage of it (I already took it by time I knew about it).

I think CBRBobs issue is that its BS to charge an involuntary "tax" on motorcycle riders for a program they don't provide for everybody. Could I have signed up? Perhaps, but ultimately there are people who wont be able to because there are not enough classes for everybody, yet everybody pays for it.

While I do accept and understanding taxing everybody for services that only some people will take advantage of, this is one program that is by far more efficiently run through private organizations. At the very least the gov't could subsidize the program, but thats not without its downfalls, either.

CBRBob · 02-16-2007, 09:11 AM

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Im happy and nothing you say is gonna bring me down. This class looks to be a good thing.

Jeez, the word free must be at the top of your list. I have a lot of FREE dog crap in the yard, come get it LOL.

I am not trying to bring you down. I want everyone to understand why the class isn't 'free' and that it should not be. Another reason is that when you invest nothing into the class, there is no motivation. Routinely people that take these classes in 'free' states drop out, don't show because of weather etc. because they have nothing invested in it, no motivation to stick it out and really try. They happily walk away.

The class is a good thing but there are two ways it should not be presented. One is by the govt. the other is by a dealer (aka the riders edge). One dosent care who takes the class, the other just sees participants as walking $$