Can somebody tell me - Sportbike Addicts

Kennedy · 05-23-2006, 06:33 PM

Why the fuck my paint keeps coming up after my last and final coat of clear catalyzed laquer, Im going to fucking toss the pieces out in the street.

***Cakes206*** · 05-23-2006, 06:49 PM

What kind of paint? Id it FULLY dry between coats? Take some pics and post.

Kennedy · 05-23-2006, 07:15 PM

Im going to rip my fucking hair out

IrocRob · 05-23-2006, 07:17 PM

You're using laquer? Any particular reason why?
What was your preparation process?
LIST EVERY LITTLE DETAIL...Proper prep is everything.

How is the paint coming off? Peeling? Cracking? Flaking?
Are there bubbles in the painted surface? Excessive "orange peel"?
Have you added a "Flex-Agent" to the paint and stirred
thoroughly before use? VERY IMPORTANT!

Did you use a compatible primer with your paint, and did
you clean all surfaces properly?

There are too many details to list here, but it all comes
down to proper procedures. I'd be happy to help if I can.

After looking at the picture, it looks like a spot repair
on a textured part, is that correct? - If so, you will not be
able to easily match the texture.

Kennedy · 05-23-2006, 07:24 PM

Hey Rob, this is a spray can job so its very how can I say. Shitty. Everything comes out nice until the final clear coat....Give me a sec and Ill get more pics...

I primered. Then wetsanded with 800

Then sprayed the color...then wetsanded with 1000

Then spray lacquer and get fucked in the ass

The paint is crinkling and coming together and coming up see pic

IrocRob · 05-23-2006, 07:30 PM

I can't tell too much from the picture, but it sounds like
you are either using incompatible materials, or
what Joe said, It's just not dry enough.

How long have you been waiting between:

1: Primer/paint

2: Paint/Clear

"IMPORT AUTO SPRAY" - Is that the clearcoat?
Almost all manufacturers are using urethane enamel based paints,
and have been for years.
READ THE CAN - And see if the clearcoat is for acrylic laquer based automotive paints.

***Cakes206*** · 05-23-2006, 07:31 PM

looks like the paint is "rippling." I know that can happen if there is more than one layer of paint the under layer(s) haven't had a chance to fully dry/cure. How many coats? How much time between coats if more than one? Like Rob said, list every single step you're taking.

I used to paint hockey helmets when I was a kid and my first one would ripple exactly like that. Friend had a bodyshop and said I didn't wait long enough between coats. And it would happen when I tried to spray the clear.

Kennedy · 05-23-2006, 07:33 PM

Primer to paint was a one day drying period, at times two. Time between coats of paint was until it was just a tad still tacky. Color to clear is a couple of hours in between. Clear until a little tacky then another coat.

Kennedy · 05-23-2006, 07:33 PM

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***Cakes206*** · 05-23-2006, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kennedy

Time between coats of paint was until it was just a tad still tacky.

There you go. The top layer of paint is going to dry faster than the bottom layer because it's exposed to the air, As the bottom layer then dries more its going to "pull" on the outer layer making it ripple. Hope that helps.

RCM78 · 05-23-2006, 07:48 PM

You need to let the color fully cure before adding the clear. If you dont the color will continue outgassing under the clear and ruin it...

***Cakes206*** · 05-23-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCM78

You need to let the color fully cure before adding the clear. If you dont the color will continue outgassing under the clear and ruin it...

Tell em Ralph, kids these days, always in a rush

Mogwai · 05-23-2006, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrocRob

You're using laquer? Any particular reason why?

I can't speak for him, but laquer paint will come out high gloss after wetsanding it. Thats the best from what a body shop guy told me.

IrocRob · 05-23-2006, 08:05 PM

True - You can achieve outstanding results with an acrylic laquer,
but most folks don't use them anymore, because
you can achieve the same results, greater durability, and
easier repair color blending with other, newer materials.

And laquer is usually wet sanded, and then buffed for a
show quality finish. Urethane Enamels are clearcoated, and the
clearcoat for enamels is not compatible with any laquer base coats.

Which is why I asked him to:
READ THE CAN - And see if the clearcoat is for acrylic laquer based automotive paints.

duc748pilot · 05-24-2006, 12:21 AM

you shouldnt be spraying a laquer over an enamel. first of all. a laquer over an enamel will lift the enamel.....you can however normally get away with a enamel over a laquer. just the way the chemicals react.

but looking at your pic this is exactly what is going on.

oh...and second of all.....its probably coming out shitty because your painting your bodywork gold......come on dude. lol. call me tomorrow if you want.