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Old 04-09-2007, 02:16 PM   #31
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Here's the response I received after a follow-up indicating that I would not renew my membership unless I received a response:

Dear Mr. --------:


Thank you for using the “Contact Us” feature at www.AMADirectlink.com to share your views on rider education and licensing in the U.S. I owe you an apology; I received your original inquiry on March 14th and inadvertently didn’t get back to you. We do our best to respond to each inquiry in a prompt manner, but regretfully I do slip. Thanks for the opportunity to right the wrong.



Imre Szauter, the AMA’s Legislative Affairs Specialist for On-Highway issues, has reviewed your query and provided the information that follows:



It is unlikely that the federal government will mandate any type of motorcycle licensing system, as this has always been a state issue. Some states have begun to recognize that motorcycle licensing should be treated differently from regular motor vehicle licensing; they are starting to set higher standards (temporary and probationary licensing, education requirements, equipment requirements, “no passengers” for novice riders, etc.)



The problem with a graduated licensing system is enforcement. Unless there is a clear indication the operator of a motorcycle is under some kind of restriction, based on age, experience, etc., there is no way for law enforcement to determine (other than a traffic stop) if the operator is complying with the law. While there is some merit to special license plates for operators riding under restriction, the responsibility for implementation rests with each state.



Some states are taking steps to tighten licensing requirements by limiting the number of times a temporary or learner’s permits that may be issued to a rider, requiring rider education for applicants who fail their state test twice, and in some cases sentencing traffic offenders to a rider education course. Although these steps aren’t what you are proposing, they are steps in the right direction.



The AMA has always encouraged novice and experienced riders to take advantage of rider training opportunities in their state. We do not, however, support mandatory rider education for all riders (see http://www.amadirectlink.com/legislt...ns/ridered.asp) because of the logistics. As currently structured, no state or private program could handle the crush of students; lack of facilities, instructors, and equipment already prevent most states from accommodating requests for training today.



Additional funding for rider education programs from the state and federal governments could help address the shortage of training opportunities. In fact, the federal government has allocated $25M over the next six years to assist states in promoting education and awareness programs.



We continue to monitor and post in our StateWatch area legislation that raises the standards for motorcycle operator licensing. However, we do not support legislation that restricts access to motorcycles based on engine displacement. As you pointed out, a novice or inexperienced rider can get just as injured (or killed) on a small-displacement motorcycle as a large sportbike or cruiser. The keys to safer riding are training, unimpaired operations, and a proper attitude.



Thanks again for contacting us and for your continued membership support.



Sincerely,





Sean M. Maher

Director of State Affairs

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Old 04-09-2007, 05:16 PM   #32
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Good intentions, but writing the AMA won't make anything happen.


It's the DMV that has to be influenced. Shit, the AMA thinks that helmet laws should be made voluntary for crying out loud, that's real responsible.


and they will not change... it harder to renew your paper work with the 6 point deal
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Old 04-09-2007, 06:19 PM   #33
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i dont know about NJ, but here in PA, anyone can get a motorcycle permit in 2 minutes for 7$. i rode with a permit for 3 years, kept renewing it. PA's MSF is free thankfully,( but always books solid quick for the year) and its funded by guess what? people like me that constantly pay to have there permit renewed, lol.

I think they may have changed some of the permit requirements since i got one though, you may have to take some kinda quiz now before they issue it.
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Old 04-09-2007, 06:33 PM   #34
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So this is all cool and everything but where does it stop?

It is soon to be illegal to even make sport bikes, own or operate them.
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Old 04-09-2007, 06:59 PM   #35
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The process of getting a license is so easy and simple, here's an example. ME!!!!

Years back i knew nothing about riding..I've rode dirt bikes, that's about it. I asked around and found someone who "taught" others to pass a test. I paid $100 bucks and here's what I got.


I was provided with ALL the questions and answer's the DMV Asked. I studied it 30 min before the written and got 100%

The next step was the road course. A 1-2 hour lesson on the back of a scooter the SAME morning as my DMV road test. I passed...

That's it. for $100 bucks and less then 3 hours of training I got a motorcycle license. Now..at the time, I thought it was ok and simple..but looking back I was provided with NO direction. I basically did everything on my own. Shit as soon as I got the bike I rode in a vest and some fucking cowboy boots (ask crystal). Only protection I had was a Lid. didn't even have gloves, why..because I didn't know any better. Until I got more experience, started reading etc etc...

Steve I agree that it takes longer to get your dry cleaners done then to get a Motorcycle license.
Wow that sounds an awful lot like what i did...but i only practiced on the scooter for like 10 minutes before i took the road test...i also failed the written the first time because i didn't even open the book...i failed by 2 points not to bad considering i had no idea what the hell they were asking me... bought a crap bike, beat the hell out of it, wore no gear whatsoever... eventually i learned but probably not the best method
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:20 PM   #36
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I said it before and i'll say it again. Take your test on a scooter, you should only get a license to ride a scooter, period.
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Old 04-10-2007, 12:03 AM   #37
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Old 04-10-2007, 12:37 PM   #38
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So this is all cool and everything but where does it stop?

It is soon to be illegal to even make sport bikes, own or operate them.
That's *exactly* what I want to avoid! Lots of other countries are starting to restrict bikes for open license holders, they're talking about restricting bikes to 65mph in the UK for fuck's sake! Given the choice (and I think we can preemptively make it), I'd prefer to have stricter licensing than a restricted bike!

I agree 100% Rob, you get your license on a scooter, you should have a scooter license. Same deal with cars, you get your license in an auto, you have an auto license but that's another can of worms right there.
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FYI. Just got back from a meeting and yes it is in the works! Probably sometime this year.............

Take a license test on a 250cc or smaller scooter and you will get a 250cc or smaller license, period. No more 100cc on the test and gsxr600 on the street.
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Old 04-11-2007, 09:35 AM   #40
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FYI. Just got back from a meeting and yes it is in the works! Probably sometime this year.............

Take a license test on a 250cc or smaller scooter and you will get a 250cc or smaller license, period. No more 100cc on the test and gsxr600 on the street.
I think that is pretty cool!
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Old 04-11-2007, 09:49 AM   #41
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That's *exactly* what I want to avoid! Lots of other countries are starting to restrict bikes for open license holders, they're talking about restricting bikes to 65mph in the UK for fuck's sake! Given the choice (and I think we can preemptively make it), I'd prefer to have stricter licensing than a restricted bike!
Saw that about the UK restrictions on BBC the other day. Seriously, the people that make the laws and the restrictions have no clue about motorcycles. Keeping a bike restricted to 65 would probably be more dangerous to the rider. If that happens here I'd give up riding on the street.
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Old 04-11-2007, 10:01 AM   #42
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FYI. Just got back from a meeting and yes it is in the works! Probably sometime this year.............

Take a license test on a 250cc or smaller scooter and you will get a 250cc or smaller license, period. No more 100cc on the test and gsxr600 on the street.
This is great. Question I have though, whats to stop someone from jumping on a 1000 with a 250 license? Only way they'd get caught is if they get pulled over, right? Nothing visually to tell LEO that they're not riding within they're restrictions.
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Old 04-11-2007, 10:08 AM   #43
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This is great. Question I have though, whats to stop someone from jumping on a 1000 with a 250 license? Only way they'd get caught is if they get pulled over, right? Nothing visually to tell LEO that they're not riding within they're restrictions.
True and do most cops know the difference between a 250 & a 1000?
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:38 PM   #44
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That is a flaw with the idea of restrictions to a license but we really can't account for people who are going to break the law. I'd be in favor of having a sticker or plate that must be attached to the bike, but what's to stop people not putting it on? Doesn't matter what you do, people are always going to try to break the law, it happens now, people ride illegally with only a learner's license all the time. We have nothing to distinguish learners from open license holders.

Thanks very much for updating us with that Rob. It's really good news IMO!
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Old 06-20-2007, 12:09 AM   #45
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Warning: Zombie thead, please protect brains.

I haven't received a response from the AMA so I've let my membership lapse. What a waste of an organization.
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