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05-17-2006, 12:18 AM
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you felt the heat comin didnt you...
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05-17-2006, 12:37 AM
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No, actually, you should feel the heat coming.
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please. youre like a cool breeeze
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05-17-2006, 08:24 AM
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another example of too much government involvement. im PROCHOICE. it should be a mans choice whether he wants to "click it" or not..
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I suppose you feel the same way about the choice to wear a helmet too?
I am all for free choice, but if thats the case you shouldnt be using public money to pay for your hospital bills when your are fucked up as a result, either.
Insurance plans should also have exclusions of coverage for those dumb enough to not be wearing a seatbelt or helmet...
The truth is (or at least in part) is that seatbelts and helmets save us (collectively) tons of money in hospital bills... |
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05-17-2006, 08:31 AM
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I suppose you feel the same way about the choice to wear a helmet too?
I am all for free choice, but if thats the case you shouldnt be using public money to pay for your hospital bills when your are fucked up as a result, either.
Insurance plans should also have exclusions of coverage for those dumb enough to not be wearing a seatbelt or helmet...
The truth is (or at least in part) is that seatbelts and helmets save us (collectively) tons of money in hospital bills...
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Not to be an ass, but thats not true. In recent studies they discovered it's cheaper to pay for death than hospitalization, and riders who are not wearing helmets are some high odd percent more likely to die than require hospitalization. That was actually how PA just got the no-helmet law passed.
Personally I am for it, yeah more people are going to die, and no, I don't think I ever could ride without a helmet, but I still believe in choice.. and more importantly, what this country seems to forget,
freedom - responsibility for ones actions and choices
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05-17-2006, 08:38 AM
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Insurance plans should also have exclusions of coverage for those dumb enough to not be wearing a seatbelt or helmet...
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Now that's not a bad idea...people would change their minds on this one.
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the girl on the cell phone has the right to be on her cell phone if she wants. the government has no right to tell her not to talk on the phone. so "no" i dont bitch about her.
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I hope you are kidding on this one. Being on the phone while driving is a lack of responsibility.
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05-17-2006, 10:41 AM
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you might not think of it as a law BUT IT is... thats what makes it fucked up. last i checked this is a free country. there is no reason why the government should tell you how to live as long as you arent endangering the life of anyone else. not wearing your seatbelt endangers you alone and no one else so why the fuck is there a need 4 a law forcing you to wear one....
anyone who says that the seatbelt law is american has been brainwashed.
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yes this a free country...but free doesn't mean free...it means that you have to abide by the laws set on this country...free means that your not enslaved, your free to make your life what you want it to be...If you don't like the laws..shit...just leave the country...It's like immigrants who come here and bitch about americans...then you ask them.."why are you here then" they say.. O becowz der eez goot muny here..
If you wanna live in the US and earn the good money and live under a "free" country...then abide by the laws and rules...plain and simple...
Any idiot can understand that living in a free country..means that the use the term very loosly...just cuz it's free don't mean you can rape a baby and get away with it... |
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05-17-2006, 10:55 AM
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In recent studies they discovered it's cheaper to pay for death than hospitalization, and riders who are not wearing helmets are some high odd percent more likely to die than require hospitalization. That was actually how PA just got the no-helmet law passed.
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But that's assuming that every rider that wrecks without a helmet is going to die on the scene, and that doesn't seem likely. They can still sustain massive injuries while being kept alive in the hospital for weeks at a time, and the bills start to pile up...in this case it's a crap shoot.
A small example regarding my own observations. I saw 9 bikes total during my trip to PA, 4 in NJ all had full gear, 5 in PA all not wearing helmets...seems like the odds are increasing.
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05-17-2006, 10:58 AM
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05-17-2006, 10:58 AM
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Now that's not a bad idea...people would change their minds on this one.
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05-17-2006, 11:16 AM
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It's okay man...head to the ER or ICU to check out someone that's been thru a windshield or ejected from a vehicle, I'm sure they wish they'd worn theirs before all hell broke lose. It's the same reason why one has to wear their helmet in NJ, healthcare expenses for uninsured people are high enough in this state, there's no need to add to the ever increasing level. So in the end I do wind up paying for others mistakes.
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Don't blame the healthcare situation on people not buckling their seatbelts. Put the blame on stupid drivers and such where it belongs.
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First off, it *is* un-American to have a seatbelt law. The US government is *not* my mommy. I loathe the seatbelt law as much as I loathe helmet laws. That said, anyone who knows me knows I would never get on a bike without a helmet and full gear, and in the same way, I always put on my seat belt. Why? Because I'm not an idiot. However, it should remain my choice. My choice may be the smart choice, but I should be able to make it. |
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05-17-2006, 11:31 AM
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Don't blame the healthcare situation on people not buckling their seatbelts. Put the blame on stupid drivers and such where it belongs.
Now...
First off, it *is* un-American to have a seatbelt law. The US government is *not* my mommy. I loathe the seatbelt law as much as I loathe helmet laws. That said, anyone who knows me knows I would never get on a bike without a helmet and full gear, and in the same way, I always put on my seat belt. Why? Because I'm not an idiot. However, it should remain my choice. My choice may be the smart choice, but I should be able to make it.
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This I somewhat agree with...but what is the point in arguing if you will not win the battle...
NOW EVERYONE JUST PUT ON YOUR SEATBELTS OR YOU WILL GET A TICKET..
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05-17-2006, 11:35 AM
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This I somewhat agree with...but what is the point in arguing if you will not win the battle...
NOW EVERYONE JUST PUT ON YOUR SEATBELTS OR YOU WILL GET A TICKET..
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05-17-2006, 11:37 AM
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Don't blame the healthcare situation on people not buckling their seatbelts. Put the blame on stupid drivers and such where it belongs.
Now...
First off, it *is* un-American to have a seatbelt law. The US government is *not* my mommy. I loathe the seatbelt law as much as I loathe helmet laws. That said, anyone who knows me knows I would never get on a bike without a helmet and full gear, and in the same way, I always put on my seat belt. Why? Because I'm not an idiot. However, it should remain my choice. My choice may be the smart choice, but I should be able to make it.
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For every action there's a reaction: stupid people + lack of seatbelts/helmets in accidents = increase healthcare/insurance costs. They're both factors that sustain eachother.
Paint it any color you like to justify your actions cuz in the end you're still doing it brotha.
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05-17-2006, 11:59 AM
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For every action there's a reaction: stupid people + lack of seatbelts/helmets in accidents = increase healthcare/insurance costs. They're both factors that sustain eachother.
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They increase insurance costs for unsafe drivers. Also note, there already exist penalties in the form of reduced payouts when in an accident and not wearing your life safety restraint system, and many fees when ticketed for not wearing one (dependant upon your insurance provider).
Increased healthcare... we're not that socialized here.
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05-17-2006, 01:28 PM
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I read that as Librarians.
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