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03-14-2009, 05:04 PM
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Reverse Trail Braking
This is from wikipedia, so it has to be true ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_braking)
"Reverse Trail Braking: A variation of trail braking can actually assist a motorcycle rider in turning his machine quicker in closely linked ess curves or chicanes. In this use the rider applies some front brake as the steering change is being done. Because a motorcycle tends to "stand up" from the front brake application it more rapidly and efficiently brings the machine over to the opposite side, when used in conjunction with standard counter steering inputs. This is an advanced riding technique which is only applicable to track riding and racing."
Has anyone tried this? Me find interesting... First, I'm looking for a faster way to be able to flip from a good right lean to left. It's been bothering me. Plus I find myself entering the first turn slower so that I can make the transition, when I know I could take it much faster.
I've never done trail braking (on purpose), but I'm thinking a quick tug on the brake whenI first start the transition might be helpful.
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03-14-2009, 05:33 PM
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If you have never practiced "trail braking" than don't even think about
"transition braking" - It'll be a fast way to the ground.
Work on your core strength, upper body strength and your input technique.
By that I mean USE BOTH ARMS to turn the bike.
Do not just "push the inside bar" to initiate your turn.
Another point is to get your ass off the seat before you try to get the bike
to change direction, in quick transitions it helps to be set for the second turn
before you are out of the first.
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03-14-2009, 05:40 PM
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Another point is to get your ass off the seat ......
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I saw you do that....... once..
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03-14-2009, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by IrocRob
If you have never practiced "trail braking" than don't even think about
"transition braking" - It'll be a fast way to the ground.
Work on your core strength, upper body strength and your input technique.
By that I mean USE BOTH ARMS to turn the bike.
Do not just "push the inside bar" to initiate your turn.
Another point is to get your ass off the seat before you try to get the bike
to change direction, in quick transitions it helps to be set for the second turn
before you are out of the first.
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Yeah I've been working out more focusing on core hoping that helps.
I do a good job of setting up for the turn before hand. I don't have a problem switching cheeks, it's just the bike doesn't follow me as fast as I want.
But I don't think I use both arms. Maybe that's something to focus on next month. |
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03-14-2009, 07:37 PM
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it's just the bike doesn't follow me as fast as I want.
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Suspension set up for your weight?
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03-14-2009, 07:41 PM
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I like to practice reverse crashing.
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03-14-2009, 10:08 PM
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03-15-2009, 09:48 AM
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Suspension set up for your weight?
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03-15-2009, 11:23 AM
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Actually it's not.
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It would be better if it was...
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03-15-2009, 11:35 AM
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Actually it's not.
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03-15-2009, 01:01 PM
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i don't get it though. If you get on the brakes, you're slowing down. Why would you do that?
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03-15-2009, 06:44 PM
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i don't get it though. If you get on the brakes, you're slowing down. Why would you do that?
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I guess the thought process looks like this:
Summit Main - I treat T6 and T7 more like 1 decreasing radius turn and feel like I can get on the gas out of 7 much harder than I am. But my 8 and 9 give me a little problem.
So If I was able to be harder coming out of 7 and then flick 8 faster, I think I can get better speed out of 9. I'm not sure if I'm making any sense here, but I know I want to be set up for a faster exit out of 9.
I will set the suspension up for my weight. Never heard of Washington Cycle's, I usually go to MRP. But I'm sure someone at the track can help me with the set up if I ask nicely.
Anyone going to NJMP on Sat Aril 11th? |
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03-15-2009, 07:41 PM
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Never heard of Washington Cycle's,
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Refresh the page till you see the Washington Cycle Works banner at the top of the site. Ron and Papa John will set your bike up perfect. Tell em the guys at sportbikeaddicts sent ya. What area you live in?
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03-15-2009, 07:58 PM
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I'm in Crofton, MD - about 10 minutes West of Annapolis.
25 mins from DC
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03-15-2009, 08:02 PM
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