Political bashing thread

[jcblitz]

We should just keep all this crap in one spot rather than making new threads every time. So post all your left and right wing propaganda in this thread. Name calling, racist slurs, yo momma jokes all allowed. This is America!

[jcblitz]

McCain's YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c)

[CBRBob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzFR8IAD1jQ&feature=related

[jcblitz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzFR8IAD1jQ&feature=related

"That may be a fact, the RNC noted gleefully -- but only if Obama's uncle had served in the Red Army of Joseph Stalin, which liberated Auschwitz on Jan. 27, 1945. Obama's campaign said yesterday that he had erred in naming the camp but not in describing the role of his great-uncle, who partook in the liberation of Buchenwald. ‘Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II -- especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically,’ Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/28/1070102.aspx

[Marker54]

o boy--more "Poli-Tickin..."

[CBRBob]

Hey, pick someone who has basically ZERO experience at the job or someone who has been there-done that. Easy enough?

[jcblitz]

Hey, pick someone who has basically ZERO experience at the job or someone who has been there-done that. Easy enough?

Yup, been there done that. Most of this is hyperbolic and I didn't verify any of it, but it just feels right and that's good enough for this thread. Actually, I did look into him finishing near the bottom of his class, 894/899. So yeah, he's been there.

Here's McCain's past in a nutshell:

* Grew up in a prominent rightwing Navy family and was indoctrinated in naval dominance of the globe
* Went to Annapolis and ranked at the very bottom of his class because he resented authority
* Went to Vietnam and crashed several planes
* Spent 6 years as a POW and "broke" under torture
* Came home and dumped the wife who raised his children while he was away and nursed him back to health on his return
* Married a much younger woman who was heir to a mobbed-up Budweiser fortune
* Worked in his in-laws' business traveling across Arizona building a base for his political career
* Used his in-laws' money to get elected to the House as an anti-abortion, "pro-family" candidate
* Worked his way up from the House to the Senate by being a loyal right-wing Republican
* As a Senator, got caught helping Charles Keating deregulate S&L's, which cost taxpayers $200 billion, and was censured by the Senate
* Promised never to do favors for lobbyists again
* Ran for President in 2000 as a reformer and won New Hampshire
* Got crushed in South Carolina after he called Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell "agents of intolerance" and they fired back with a pro-Bush smear campaign that McCain had an "illegitimate black child" - actually a dark-skinned child (Bridget) adopted from impoverished Bangladesh. Nevertheless, McCain enthusiastically supported Bush both in 2000 and 2004.
* In 2001, he opposed Bush's $1.35 trillion tax giveaway to the rich, but changed his position during the 2007 campaign.
* In 2001, he was so opposed to Bush's far-right policies that he considered becoming a Democrat, but ultimately stayed a Republican and supported Bush's far-right policies
* In 2002, he was a leading advocate for the invasion of Iraq, spent far more time on TV than any other Senator, and wrongly predicted "victory" and "success" every step of the way
* In 2004, he betrayed his friend John Kerry by refusing to defend him against Swift Boat smears
* In 2007, when a supporter asked "How do we beat the bitch," referring to Sen. Hillary Clinton, McCain laughed and called it an "excellent question."
* In 2007, with the U.S. on the brink of attacking Iran, McCain joked by singing "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran."
* In 2008, when caught doing favors for lobbyist Vicki Iseman and her corporate clients, lied about his actions

[NYCSTRIPES]

Sounds like the rant of a scorned woman....

[jcblitz]

John McCain could also become a cop. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A06E2DB143DF93AA3575AC0A96F9582 60

[CBRBob]

Obama could run a socialist country. Badly too I bet.

[carl_g]

US would join EU as a Social Democracy..Can't wait for that. Isn't that the reason we left those people in the first place? This country needs another revolution.

[GinoE]

A young teenage girl was about to finish her first year of college. She considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat but her father was a rather staunch Republican.

One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to taxes and welfare programs. He stopped her and asked her how she was doing in school.

She answered that she had a 4.0 GPA but it was really tough. She had to study all the time, never had time to go out and party. She didn't have time for a boyfriend and didn't really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying.

He asked, "How is your friend Mary." She replied that Mary was barely getting by. She had a 2.0 GPA, never studied, but was very popular on campus, went to all the parties all the time. Why she often didn't show up for classes because she was hung over.

Dad then asked his daughter why she didn't go to the Dean's office and ask why she couldn't take 1.0 off her 4.0 and give it to her friend who only had a 2.0. That way they would both have a 3.0 GPA.

The daughter angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair, I worked really hard for mine and Mary has done nothing".

The father slowly smiled and said, "Welcome to the Republican Party".

[Kennedy]

"When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson

This government needs to be brought back to it's roots. A Democratic Republic.

One candidate or the other will not bring us what we need.

[carl_g]

Thomas Jefferson was a repulican :)

[Kennedy]

Actually Jefferson believed the core political value of America is representative democracy, citizens have a civic duty to aid the state and resist corruption, especially monarchism and aristocracy. :)

American Government and Politics Courtesy of Raritan Valley Community College :lol:

Come to think of it you're right. He was a man who wanted a Republic.

[CBRBob]

"And to the REPUBLIC, for which it stands"

[Kennedy]

Its funny that we have said that line everyday yet we never hear our government referred to as a Republic and for a good reason. A democracy in essence is when the Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.

A Republic which is what our government originated as, on the other hand its purpose is to strictly control the Majority Group, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general.


We lost that a long time ago unfortunately.

[jcblitz]

"Today, CNN posted an article online summarizing the Tax Policy center's report comparing John McCain and Barack Obama's proposed tax plans. It is available here. The numbers are remarkable, but CNN failes to notice the obvious punchline: more than 85% of Americans will pay less in taxes under Obama than McCain."

I assume most of us fall below the $227K-$603K range, which is where the tax cut starts for Obama. But if you don't, I'll personally pay your $12 increase.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm?cnn=yes

[carl_g]

"Today, CNN posted an article online summarizing the Tax Policy center's report comparing John McCain and Barack Obama's proposed tax plans. It is available here. The numbers are remarkable, but CNN failes to notice the obvious punchline: more than 85% of Americans will pay less in taxes under Obama than McCain."

I assume most of us fall below the $227K-$603K range, which is where the tax cut starts for Obama. But if you don't, I'll personally pay your $12 increase.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm?cnn=yes

Those figures do not include MCcain's proposed spending reforms nor do they include the savior's universal health care proposals both of which would greatly change the outcome of that article. Of course, CNN is reporting from the Far left so of why would they wait for those HUGE facts to weigh in before accurately reporting on the issue? That article does not say much of anything that is meaningful.

[SAXON117]

:roflmao: :roflmao: It doesn't matter who is in office congress makes all the big FUK ups! its not the person its the political party and frankly they all suck. This country needs a person that has no party ties that is tired of the bullshit. Someone that can bitch slap congress to open there eyes.

[tsxguy77]

LIBERALS SUCK!

[jcblitz]

Those figures do not include MCcain's proposed spending reforms nor do they include the savior's universal health care proposals both of which would greatly change the outcome of that article. Of course, CNN is reporting from the Far left so of why would they wait for those HUGE facts to weigh in before accurately reporting on the issue? That article does not say much of anything that is meaningful.

I don't think you read the title, "What they'll do to your tax bill", or the last paragraph. It also doesn't include the number of pets they own or their dental records either so it must be total liberal nonsense.

And btw, this wasn't supposed to come off pro Obama, just showing that the general assumption that republican = tax cuts / democrat = tax hikes (which some people here repeat over and over) isn't completely true. Their plans are fairly similar.

[Kennedy]

Get real guys if Obama ever tried to pass a universal health care law it would immediately be slapped away by congress. He's just doing this so he has the non insured vote.

[CBRBob]

Just remember, it's also a D controlled congress.

[jcblitz]

Just the facts. These happen to be all McCain ones, but check the Past Episodes for Obama ones too.

http://www.factcheck.org/just-the-facts/and_theyre_off.html

[Kennedy]

10 things to know about McCain

For all the coverage this week of Senator John McCain's background, there are some important things you won't learn about him from the TV networks. His carefully crafted positive image relies on people not knowing this stuff—and you might be surprised by some of it.

Please check out the list below, and then forward it to your friends, family, and coworkers. We can't rely on the media to tell folks about the real John McCain—but if we all pass this along, we can reach as many people as CNN Headline News does on a good night.



10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):



1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.

4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."

5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.

6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."

8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."

10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10
John McCain is not who the Washington press corps make him out to be.


Sources:
1. "The Complicated History of John McCain and MLK Day," ABC News, April 3, 2008
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/the-complicated.html
"McCain Facts," ColorOfChange.org, April 4, 2008
http://colorofchange.org/mccain_facts/
2. "McCain More Hawkish Than Bush on Russia, China, Iraq," Bloomberg News, March 12, 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aF28rSCtk0ZM&refer=us
"Buchanan: John McCain 'Will Make Cheney Look Like Gandhi,'" ThinkProgress, February 6, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/buchanan-gandhi-mccain/
3. "McCain Sides With Bush On Torture Again, Supports Veto Of Anti-Waterboarding Bill," ThinkProgress, February 20, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/20/mccain-torture-veto/
4. "McCain says Roe v. Wade should be overturned," MSNBC, February 18, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17222147/
5. "2007 Children's Defense Fund Action Council® Nonpartisan Congressional Scorecard," February 2008
http://www.childrensdefense.org/site/PageServer?pagename=act_learn_scorecard2007
"McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion," CNN, October 3, 2007
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/mccain.interview/
6. "Beer Executive Could Be Next First Lady," Associated Press, April 3, 2008
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-S1sWHm0tchtdMP5LcLywg5ZtMgD8VQ86M80
"McCain Says Bank Bailout Should End `Systemic Risk,'" Bloomberg News, March 25, 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHMiDVYaXZFM&refer=home
7. "Will McCain's Temper Be a Liability?," Associated Press, February 16, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4301022
"Famed McCain temper is tamed," Boston Globe, January 27, 2008
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/27/famed_mccain_temper_is_tamed/
8. "Black Claims McCain's Campaign Is Above Lobbyist Influence: 'I Don't Know What The Criticism Is,'" ThinkProgress, April 2, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/02/mccain-black-lobbyist/
"McCain's Lobbyist Friends Rally 'Round Their Man," ABC News, January 29, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4210251
9. "McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam," Mother Jones Magazine, March 12, 2008
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html
"Will McCain Specifically 'Repudiate' Hagee's Anti-Gay Comments?," ThinkProgress, March 12, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/mccain-hagee-anti-gay/
"McCain 'Very Honored' By Support Of Pastor Preaching 'End-Time Confrontation With Iran,'" ThinkProgress, February 28, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/28/hagee-mccain-endorsement/
10. "John McCain Gets a Zero Rating for His Environmental Record," Sierra Club, February 28, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/environment/77913/

[jcblitz]

McCain: Ignorant or Lying? by Ed Brayton
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/06/mccainignorant_or_lying.php

My father, a lifelong Republican, called and left a message on my voicemail yesterday saying that McCain's reaction to the Supreme Court's ruling on habeas corpus and the Gitmo detainees had sealed any chance McCain had for getting his vote in November. And McCain's statement was so ridiculous that one has to wonder if he is really that ignorant of the law or if he was simply lying through his teeth. Here's what he said:

We are now going to have the courts flooded with so-called, quote, Habeas Corpus suits against the government, whether it be about the diet, whether it be about the reading material. And we are going to be bollixed up in a way that is terribly unfortunate, because we need to go ahead and adjudicate these cases.

That may be the single dumbest thing said in this entire election so far. Habeas corpus suits have nothing to do with dietary restrictions on prisoners or what kind of reading materials they can have. McCain is conflating, either out of mendacity or ignorance, the kind of suits that can be brought by prison inmates and the kind of suits this ruling allows.

Habeas corpus suits only allow someone to challenge whether they are rightfully being detained. That's it. If McCain knows that, he's lying through his teeth. And if he doesn't know that, how absurd is it that he has an up or down vote on every single person nominated for the federal bench? If he doesn't know that, why should anyone vote for him for president? This is one of the most basic constitutional protections, one of the key components of a free society; if someone doesn't understand that basic concept, they should be kept as far away from power as possible.

Two notes on this. This is the type of politics I can't stand, distorting the truth (or at least application/intention) to play to peoples fear. Second, my grandfather said basically the same thing as this authors father to me this weekend out of the blue. I've never discussed politics with the man in my life and in the middle of dinner he brings this up and asks what I think. But before I could answer, he said he's voting for "that other guy" because anyone that thinks this way shouldn't be leading this country.

[CBRBob]

http://robertd.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/is-obama-lying/

[Kennedy]

The best part is most of the shit he said was true. America did lie about pearl harbor it's in Rooselvelts Diary. Government did bring Herione into America by smuggling it in caskets of dead soldiers during Vietnam.

The government lies at last he acknowledges that.

[SAXON117]

politician (from Greek "polis") 'noun' meaning Liar.

[jcblitz]

I wonder who all those people that were calling Kerry a waffler voting for this time? It sure can't be McCain.

But over the past two weeks, McCain’s rapid fire, acrobatic flip-flops have produced whiplash, at least for voters. 10 times since the beginning of June, McCain has retreated from, upended or just forgotten positions he once claimed as his own. On Social Security, balancing the budget, defense spending, domestic surveillance and a host of other issues so far this month, McCain’s “Straight Talk Express” did a U-turn on the road to the White House.

There are examples each at the link below

1. Social Security Privatization.
2. Raising - and Slashing - Defense Spending.
3. First Term Balanced Budget Pledge.
4. The Media’s Treatment of Hillary Clinton
5. The Estate Tax.
6. FISA, Domestic Surveillance and Telecom Immunity.
7. Restoring the Everglades.
8. Divestment from South Africa.
9. Fighting Job Losses in Michigan.
10. Opposing Hurricane Katrina Investigations

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/16/mccain-sets-a-new-record-10-flip-flops-in-two-weeks/

[CBRBob]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-10/1087910/obama1.jpg

[FDNYDANO18]

We are faced with the choice between a Liberal with a bad attitude(McCain) and an unaccomplished Marxist(Obama) with no qualification.

They are both no damn good

The entire government needs an enima

[NYCSTRIPES]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/whatiam.asp


March 13, 2007


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In this writer’s opinion, if the Left in America could re-write our language, the way they continually try to re-write their political and philosophical failings, the term “conservative” would emerge as a four letter word! Liberals have repeatedly tried to label Conservatives as heartless, narrow-minded, money hording, tax evading, bigoted exploiters of the poor and the environment … a misrepresentation which, it appears, the Media willingly perpetuates. Well, this is one Conservative who’s not afraid to stand up and … set the record straight! (Read on, you may be more of a Conservative than you think!)

Who we are … are people who believe that the true measure of an individual is determined by his or her values ... not their color, ethnicity and/or political affiliations;

Who we are … are fathers, husbands, mothers, sons and daughters who understand that America is at war with an enemy that will employ any and all opportunities … and exploit any perceived weaknesses … political and psychological … to kill Americans, whenever and wherever they find them… and destroy those very principles, freedoms and ideals which protect us … and upon which this great nation was founded;

Who we are … are citizens, tired and disgusted with the political left’s, “Blame America First” crowd, who eagerly rush to judgment (and the nearest camera) to blame this country and her people for all the world’s ills, from … Global Warming to International Terrorism;

Who we are … are Americans who are grateful for a President who understands that National Security must come before Political Correctness;

Who we are … are parents who recognize that our children are America’s most precious asset. That’s why we are so vocal against the Media’s obsession with Hollywood’s perversities … and the morally corrupt, socially inept “Pop Culture Icons” it incessantly creates for our youth.

Who we are … are political voices, many of whom are former Liberals, who now recognize our actions must be based on realities … unlike today’s Liberals who seem content to act on “feelings” and speak only in platitudes;

Who we are … are the sons and daughters of immigrants, many of whom came to America themselves to escape tyranny and discrimination in their own homeland … but they came here legally! As Conservatives, we demand our lawmakers take any and all steps necessary to immediately enforce our laws, secure our borders and protect our nation;

Who we are … are voters who demand that far-reaching governmental policies must be based on fact … not feelings … and debated on the merits of science and pragmatism … not political correctness … nor expediency;

Who we are … are people of faith who believe in the sanctity of life, the blessedness of marriage and the preservation of the family. We also hold that abortion is immoral … and partial birth abortion is nothing short of legislative genocide;

Who we are … are constituents disgusted by the posturing of liberal politicians who seek only to exploit the horrors of war through the debating of defeatist Resolutions. Resolutions proposed by Liberals for no purpose other than to embellish themselves with the far left, while embarrassing the country and our military … without any care nor regard as to how their actions may demoralize our troops … and encourage our enemies!

Who we are … are concerned individuals who recognize that the Left’s mantra “I support the troops but not the war” is an oxymoron perpetuated by those whose only intent is to weaken the war effort and demoralize our fighting forces. It’s impossible to separate “the warrior from the war” and if you don’t understand that fact, then re-think your position, because the fastest and most effective method of defeating an army is to destroy its morale by questioning its mission … just ask our enemies!!

Who we are … are Americans who sadly recognize with War comes casualties. But we also recognize day, after day, after day, that to only report the deaths of America’s bravest … while completely ignoring the successes, achievements and objectives for which they died … is a disgrace of such proportion that it makes us wonder …. On whose side is the Media?

Who we are … are people proud that under the Bush Administration, despite numerous attempts, not one single terrorist attack has occurred on our soil in over 5 ½ years; our economy has climbed to an all time high; taxes and inflation are at twenty year lows; Federal tax revenues are the highest in our nation’s history and the deficit is down by almost 50% (as predicted by the President). Yet, despite all this, the liberal leadership in Congress is threatening to “take America in a new direction”!

Who we are … are freedom loving individuals who are opposed to activist Judges who seem determined to impose upon us their failed, liberal policies through judicial edicts … rather than our legislative processes;

Who we are … are compassionate people who have always practiced what Arthur Brooks’ book “WHO REALLY CARES”, recently confirmed. Namely, when it comes to helping the poor … across the board … Conservatives, from the working poor to the wealthy … consistently give more of their money … and their time … than liberals do! Not surprising, these studies confirm what many of us have known for decades … namely, that liberals are quick to give away other people’s money but reluctant to part with any of their own!

Who we are … are historians who recognize that the Liberals’ plans for “appeasement” and “cut and run” are not new ones! Britain and France did it in 1914 and their “success” resulted in World War I; Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain did it in 1939 and his “plan” ignited World War II. Because of today’s high tech weaponry, our world is a far more dangerous place; consequently, victory is our only option!

Who we are … are people to whom every life is precious, but we also recognize that freedom is fragile. In a world where the Media’s “perception” becomes the public’s “reality”, it’s easy to forget that in America’s last great struggle, 407,300 of our fighting forces gave their lives … so we could have ours. Our losses averaged 298 a day … for each and every day of World War II. In comparison, our Iraqi losses have averaged fewer than 3 a day… and as tragic as that is… it’s up to each and every one of us to make sure none of them shall have died in vain.

Who we are … are a population grateful to this nation’s men and women (and the families they left behind) who sacrifice their blood, sweat and tears to defend America … her people … and her way of life. To you, we say “thank you” ... and to God, we pray for your blessings … protection … and safe return.

Who we are … are people firmly committed to Jefferson’s belief … “Our liberty cannot be guarded but by the freedom of the press…” (Thomas Jefferson to John Jay, 1786). But when the press abused the public’s trust, he also wrote, “A truth now and then, projecting into an ocean of newspaper lies, serves like headlands to correct our course” (Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1815).

I have paid for this ad with my own money, in hopes that this too will serve as a “truth” to those needing a course correction.

George J. Esseff, Sr
GEsseff@LetsSetTheRecordStraight.org

[jcblitz]

Just a few snippets from the paste and snopes, just things that caught my eye quickly.


...
Who we are … are Americans who are grateful for a President who understands that National Security must come before Political Correctness;
...


First, this is a Straw Man argument. Second, the Patriot Act has been enacted in the name of National Security and has been abused and applied to people that are outside the realm a "serious / national threat" or muslims (I assume that's the political correctness he's talking about). And enjoy your new bracelet (http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/aviation-security/2008/Jul/01/want-some-torture-with-your-peanuts/) the next time you fly, you know, in the name of Political Correctness.



...
WHAT I AM . . . is a husband and father who believes in the sanctity of marriage and the preservation of the family unit.

WHAT I AM . . . is a man who believes in God; a God who has blessed this country . . . and all for which it stands.

WHAT I AM . . . is an American who wants to preserve that way of life for all who seek it.
...


Except for the gays and people that don't believe in god, you know, those people that are destroying America.

[jcblitz]

Fucking chinks. And had a hammer in his room, and you know who had a hammer in their flag, that's right, communist RUSSIA! Good thing we didn't let Political Correctness get in the way. To quote a certain republican running for president, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

http://fulgerica.com/en/2007/05/03/student-arrested-for-making-a-map-of-his-school/

[FDNYDANO18]

Fucking chinks. To quote a certain republican running for president, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

http://fulgerica.com/en/2007/05/03/student-arrested-for-making-a-map-of-his-school/


After what they did to him..... can you blame him


and by the way... they would have done the same thing to you no matter how much you kneel in front of them :lickit: ;)


Ahhh.... the GUILTY PRIVILEGED RICH.....

[jcblitz]

After what they did to him..... can you blame him


and by the way... they would have done the same thing to you no matter how much you kneel in front of them :lickit: ;)


Ahhh.... the GUILTY PRIVILEGED RICH.....

"GUILTY PRIVILEGED RICH", not sure what that means, but thanks for the standard apologist response and that true Republican sentiment mentioned right above this post, "Who we are … are people who believe that the true measure of an individual is determined by his or her values ... not their color, ethnicity and/or political affiliations;"

But no, I don't blame him at all. He was held captive five years and no doubt tortured (regardless of what his captor says). That's the definition of trauma and you can't help but hate them, they were acting on behest of their country. But to elect a national leader, let alone a president, that unequivocally says he hates the gooks doesn't seem like a great idea. I'm sure that will go over well at the G8 summit, or should I say G7+gooks.

[FDNYDANO18]

"GUILTY PRIVILEGED RICH", not sure what that means, but thanks for the standard apologist response and that true Republican sentiment mentioned right above this post, "Who we are … are people who believe that the true measure of an individual is determined by his or her values ... not their color, ethnicity and/or political affiliations;"

But no, I don't blame him at all. He was held captive five years and no doubt tortured (regardless of what his captor says). That's the definition of trauma and you can't help but hate them, they were acting on behest of their country. But to elect a national leader, let alone a president, that unequivocally says he hates the gooks doesn't seem like a great idea. I'm sure that will go over well at the G8 summit, or should I say G7+gooks.


Cause that's what realy matters.... The G8 summit :moocow:

Guess what : the world always dislikes the US.... no matter who is president.

[CBRBob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEY_-t4wXik&feature=related

[JasonB]

lol...so Barack is a Muslim?

[CBRBob]

I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq, I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to m ake profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the employees and to the government.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that if I invest my life savings into a 401K that does well, the profit should be considered a windfall and I should pay higher taxes on it.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four pointy headed elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

I'm voting Democrat because I don't want a stimulus check to spend. Let the government spend it for me.

I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I'm going to marry my dog.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 6-8% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't .

Aint I brilliant!

[FDNYDANO18]

Me too Bob... I've seen the "light"

[jcblitz]

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5184/natldebtchart2006yf8.gif

[CBRBob]

You ever notice that as soon as a D pres leaves the whitehouse, all the crap they let go in the world ends up having to be cleaned up by the R pres.....hence the larger debt.

[CBRBob]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp

[jcblitz]

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7592/6335202338041376598yearex2.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/3600/greenberg21rg2.jpg

[CBRBob]

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=302222641317480

[NYCSTRIPES]

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=302222641317480

I have been saying it since 911, too bad the UN wasn't the target of the militant Muslim hostility....just imagine if that site wasn't rebuilt for 7 years after the tragedy that befell NYC.

I would love to see that building and most of it's unsavory inhabitants pushed into the East River.
"The UN has to do something about world hunger..." meaning the US has to kick in more money to help the theives that run the UN live better lives.

Don't get me started on the reasons that I detest the UN. Its just a platform for piss ant countries to bash the US and they do it on our dime. I am all for every nation having a say in what happens in the world, but let them also pay their fair share. To me funding and having the UN here is like having a house full of ungreatful squatters who complain about the food and shelter that they refuse to help pay for. Then they complain about pesky neighbors and make you do something to satisfy their ideas about how to resolve the conflict. Then they complain about you and how you've achieved the goal.
I believe the seemingly endless "world charity" should come to an end. Unless other nations kick in equal amounts of aid and human resourses, then to hell with it. I don't see oil the rich nations doing much for humanity.

As for Obama wanting to end Global Poverty by having US taxpayers eat the cost of it..its reason 9999999999999999999999999999999999 not to vote for that Marxist idiot. Pandering to the wants of the UN is very low on my priority list. I see Obama as someone who'll do everything in his power to satisfy their collective desire to bankrupt this country.

[CBRBob]

They had them nailed even back THEN! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS9ZKgMrUyI)

[NYCSTRIPES]

Now that's friggin funny

[CBRBob]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-10/1087910/noworkdem.jpg

[CBRBob]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-10/1087910/obamaalqueda.jpg

[NYCSTRIPES]

I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit....

[NYCSTRIPES]

Schedule of Events, 2008 Democratic Convention

7:00 PM ~ Opening flag burning

7:15 PM ~ Pledge of Allegiance to the U. N.

7:20 PM ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

7:25 PM ~ Nonreligious prayer and worship with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton

7:45 PM ~ Ceremonial tree hugging

7:55 PM ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

8:00 PM ~ How I Invented the Internet - Al Gore

8:15 PM ~ Gay Wedding Planning - Barney Frank presiding

8:35 PM ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

8:40 PM ~ Our Troops are War Criminals - John Kerry

9.00 PM ~ Memorial service for Saddam and his sons - Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon

10:00 PM ~ "Answering Machine Etiquette" - Alec Baldwin

11:00 PM ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

11:05 PM ~ Collection for the Osama Bin Laden kidney transplant fund - Barbra Streisand

11:15 PM ~ Free the Freedom Fighters from Guantanamo Bay -­ Sean Penn

11:30 PM ~ Oval Office Affairs - William Jefferson Clinton

11:45 PM ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

11:50 PM ~ How George Bush Brought Down the World Trade Towers - Howard Dean

12:15 am ~ "Truth in Broadcasting Award" - Presented to Dan Rather by Michael Moore

12:25 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

12:30 am ~ Satellite address by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

12:45 am ~ Nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton by Nancy Pelosi

1:00 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

1:05 am ~ Coronation of Hillary Rodham Clinton

1:30 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

1:35 am ~ Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home

[carl_g]

LOL!!! ~>
1:35 am ~ Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home

[CBRBob]

NObama's real record......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc41dq9Z7VM

[carl_g]

I can't believe MSNBC let that air.. funny but very scary at the same time. All of these people are so blinded by this guy's bullshit.. Watch the o'reily factor tonight.. obama is going to be on and it should be interesting. I am sure he will dodge all the questions posed to him. 8 pm foxnews

[bondo]

Barack Obama on O'Reilly Factor 09-04-08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luA0AMP51Gc)

Osama, oops I mean Obama appears to be takin' tough. It appears he changes attitude / words based on who he's being interviewed by.
No doubt, Obama is a smart guy but I don't agree with his direction and reasoning.

Actions speak loader than words.
His most recent votes...
- Voted for State Children's Health Insurance Program (another dem sponsored "save the children" handout program that was THANK GOD voted down)
Would have pushed millions of children already covered by private health insurance into publicly financed health care program.

- Voted against amendment to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 passed 60-28 on August 3. The bill gives U.S. spy agencies expanded power to eavesdrop on foreign suspects without a court order.

- Voted WITH BUSH FOR illegal immigrant worker amnesty and guest work programs. Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007.
I THOUGHT THIS GUY'S MOTTO IS CHANGE! (this was voted down by republicans and democrats alike)

- Voted against Iraq war funding bill that included benchmarks for the Iraqi Gov't for our continued support of their country.
Sens. Obama and Clinton were among the 14 who opposed the bill. Passed 80-14 ... but listen to what he says when talking to O'Reilly.

[Mike295]

whats great is that fannie and freddie mac just got taken over by the government.. gee who is now the biggest land owner in america the US GOVERNMENT!!! super... we are one democratic president away from a full blown socialistic government

[NYCSTRIPES]

Well, if Obama wins it will become a Marxist government.

[bondo]

Well, if Obama wins it will become a Marxist government.

From those with the ability to those with the need.
- Carl Marx / Obama

According to that, maybe all you guys should give me a few seconds off your lap times so we are all equal. :roflmao:

[bondo]

I downloaded Billy Clinton's DNC speech from iTunes.

For a split second, they cut to Hillary laughing her head off while Bill inaccurately described the terrible things republicans "have done to this country"... not to mention how the "Bush administration sat and did NOTHING while one of our biggest cities literally drown" :ohmygod:

Who is that guy next to Hillary? He's always with Farakan and Sharpton, can't place the name.

[NYCSTRIPES]

Probably Congressman Charles Rangell and next to him former NYC Mayor Dave Dinkins.
Rangell, Sharpton and Farrakhan were always on the same side of the political table. They even had former NYPD Commissioner Ben Ward under their thumb which turned out to be a disaster for the NYPD in the coverup of the Farrakhan led murder of NYPD Officer Phil Cardillo. Rangell and Farrakhan were neck deep in that one with the assistance of Ben Ward.

Its great how the Fed Government gets the blame for the City of New Orleans and The Governor of Louisiana getting no blame for getting things moving within their own City and State. Just a convenient way to blame someone else for problems long ignored by the sitting Mayor and Governor at the time.
In a nation that prides itself on "States Rights" it becomes silly to expect that the Federal government be the answer to all ones' problems on the state level.

Just imagine if NYC waited for the feds to come in and clean up the WTC disaster. The mayor for what he was worth took charge and began to get the job done immediately. Evacuations, rescues, emergency equipment brought in and the State Guard was mobilized to the site. The Mayor and Governor took their jobs seriously and did what they were supposed to do. How it got done and the lack of equipment was another issue. Health concerns will plague those of us who responded for many years to come. We did our jobs though.

Nothing of the sort took place for quite some time in New Orleans. Ray Nagin and his Chief of Police are screaming examples of incompetence at work. Sitting and waiting for someone else to come in and do the job for them. Their own police department hardly showed up for the job at hand. Then the embarassing videos of the NOPD cops who joined in the looting. Not their finest hour.
Then the decision to disarm the locals was an utter abortion, wasting time and energy disarming law abiding citizens while the animals ran through the streets shooting at anything that moved. Coming into people's homes to confiscate lawfully owned firearms was shameful and shown to be wrong in court after it was over.
The mayor's office should have concerned itselt with the lawlessness in the streets following the flood. Local perps were randomly shooting at and trying to carjack the Fire/Rescue personnel from out of town there to help them. That town needed an enema.
http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/02/nagingun.jpg

[bondo]

Irresponsible politicians and leaders at work and more people who wait for someone else to make a decision for them. People want more of that?

yes, and what a difference between 9/11 and Katrina. wow.
.... leaders and their people.


Rangel! that's who that is.... that's the guy who wanted to re-instate the draft because there were not enough "privileged Americans" in the military. He was mixed up with that rent controlled housing scandal this past summer, too.

Hmmm, why would Hillary want to sit next to probably some of the biggest losers in her party? hmmmmmm.

[Mike295]

another reason to vote mcain
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/e60/news/story?id=3571491&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos1
she likes to drift

[NYCSTRIPES]

Irresponsible politicians and leaders at work and more people who wait for someone else to make a decision for them. People want more of that?

yes, and what a difference between 9/11 and Katrina. wow.
.... leaders and their people.


Rangel! that's who that is.... that's the guy who wanted to re-instate the draft because there were not enough "privileged Americans" in the military. He was mixed up with that rent controlled housing scandal this past summer, too.

Hmmm, why would Hillary want to sit next to probably some of the biggest losers in her party? hmmmmmm.

Hillary Clinton as well as Bill when he ran for office, covet the black vote. Nothing more. So taking a public seat next to the leaders of the black community is nothing more than a show in order to gain some votes. Both Hillary and Bill are and have always been political parasites.


This is still my favorite recent clip. Hillary snubbing Bill for a smooch. Only reason they're together is for the $$ and Power. Love left that relationship long before they left Arkansas for the White House. Getting divirced over Bill's extramarital BS would have guaranteed that neither of them would have been elected for anything. Sticking together has been a political and financial windfall for them both.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh48i8936mg&feature=related

[carl_g]

I think the funniest shit is that the democrats' hero is Bill Clinton..

[JasonB]

Too many mccain supporter in this thread. I'll get my head handed to me.

But have to say this....all politicians will say and/or what what ever it takes to get elected, no matter what party they belong too. They will get the best phone op, say what ever about their opponent...do what ever it takes to win. So i really dont believe what any of the 2 candidates say about the other, cause certain thing are just irrelevant.

[Mike295]

Too many mccain supporter in this thread. I'll get my head handed to me.

But have to say this....all politicians will say and/or what what ever it takes to get elected, no matter what party they belong too. They will get the best phone op, say what ever about their opponent...do what ever it takes to win. So i really dont believe what any of the 2 candidates say about the other, cause certain thing are just irrelevant.

I couldent agree more.. Its just like trying to get laid you say what ever you can to get the pussy

[CBRBob]

Sure, so just go on there performane records......oh yea. Obama has almost ZERO experience. Someting like less than 150 actual DAYS of work in his job.

[CORNBREAD]

Too many mccain supporter in this thread. I'll get my head handed to me.

But have to say this....all politicians will say and/or what what ever it takes to get elected, no matter what party they belong too. They will get the best phone op, say what ever about their opponent...do what ever it takes to win. So i really dont believe what any of the 2 candidates say about the other, cause certain thing are just irrelevant.

JASE, you are black right?

Are you voting for Barrack Obama because he's black?

Also, When Hillary announced she was running were you a supporter of her but when Obama announced he's in the mix did you switch because he's also black??

The Clintons were heroes to black folk, Bill has an office in Harlem, he was called the 1st "Black President" but now all the blacks supported Obama over Hillary.

Why?

Skin color maybe?....HMMMMM.

[CBRBob]

The Difference... :nod2:

I was talking to a friend of mine's little girl, and she said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

She replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

'Wow - what a worthy goal,' I told her. 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food or a new house.'

She thought that over for a few seconds 'cause she's only 6. And while her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?'

And I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'

Her folks still aren't talking to me.

[carl_g]

LOL!
I honestly think that obama is going to win and fuck up the country so bad that he will be the last democratic pres for a very long time. I also think that it will begin the demise of our flawed 2 party system we have here. That is the only positive thing that I can see coming out of it.

[Kennedy]

The Difference... :nod2:

I was talking to a friend of mine's little girl, and she said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

She replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

'Wow - what a worthy goal,' I told her. 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food or a new house.'

She thought that over for a few seconds 'cause she's only 6. And while her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?'

And I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'

Her folks still aren't talking to me.

BAHAHAHAHA

[DSH]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/m/G/2/obama-46-virgin.jpg

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/H/G/2/mccain-palin-anna-nicole.jpg

[bondo]

Speaking of children... Here's a new version that's even more accurate. :roflmao:
=======================================

The Little Red Hen called all of her Democrat neighbors together and said,
'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?'
'Not I,' said the cow.
'Not I,' said the duck.
'Not I,' said the pig.
'Not I,' said the goose.
'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.

The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain.
'Who will help me reap my wheat?' asked the little red hen.
'Not I,' said the duck..
'Out of my classification,' said the pig.
'I'd lose my seniority,' said the cow.
'I'd lose my unemployment compensation,' said
the goose.
'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.

At last it came time to bake the bread.
'Who will help me bake the bread?' asked the little red hen.
'That would be overtime for me,' said the cow.
'I'd lose my welfare benefits,' said the duck.
'I'm a dropout and never learned how,' said the pig.
'If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination,' said the goose.
'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen.


She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see.
They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share.
But the little red hen said, 'No, I shall eat all five loaves.'
'Excess profits!' cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi)
'Capitalist leech!' screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer)
'I demand equal rights!' yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson)
The pig just grunted in disdain. (Ted Kennedy)
And they all painted 'Unfair!' picket signs and marched around and
around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.


Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red
hen, 'You must not be so greedy.'
'But I earned the bread,' said the little red hen.
'Exactly,' said Barack the farmer. 'That is what makes our free
enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants.
But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those who are lazy and idle.'


And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who
smiled and clucked, 'I am grateful, for now I truly understand.'
But her neighbors became quite disappointed in her. She never again baked
bread because she joined the 'party' and got her bread free.
And all the Democrats smiled. 'Fairness' had been established.
Individual initiative had died, but nobody noticed; perhaps no one
cared...so long as there was free bread that 'the rich' were paying for.

[NYCSTRIPES]

A different perspective...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4-TZspqlOs

[CBRBob]

What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP!

Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961;

Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;

Cincinnati, OH (3rd)... since 1984;

Cleveland, OH (4th)... since 1989;

Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

St. Louis, MO (6th).... since 1949;

El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

Milwaukee, WI (8th)... since 1908;

Philadelphia, PA (9th)... since 1952;

Newark, NJ(10th)... since 1907.

Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and always
expecting different results."

It is the disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats - And they are still disadvantaged...
Hmmm...

[FDNYDANO18]

lol...so Barack is a Muslim?

Certainly NOT...... He's a Marxist............

[FDNYDANO18]

The Difference... :nod2:

I was talking to a friend of mine's little girl, and she said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

She replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

'Wow - what a worthy goal,' I told her. 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food or a new house.'

She thought that over for a few seconds 'cause she's only 6. And while her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?'

And I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'

Her folks still aren't talking to me.

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :doh:

[NYCSTRIPES]

What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP!

Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961;

Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;

Cincinnati, OH (3rd)... since 1984;

Cleveland, OH (4th)... since 1989;

Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

St. Louis, MO (6th).... since 1949;

El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

Milwaukee, WI (8th)... since 1908;

Philadelphia, PA (9th)... since 1952;

Newark, NJ(10th)... since 1907.

Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and always
expecting different results."

It is the disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats - And they are still disadvantaged...
Hmmm...


You left out New Orleans Bob...
Democratic since the 1872 and most definitely a mess..even well before the hurricane hit.

[bondo]

That's a perfect example of why we won't be able to vote these socialists out of office once more than 51% of the people are dependent on the government rather than themselves.

... Health care, welfare, education, housing bailouts, banks, agriculture, etc.
So many people are literally being bribed and hyped to vote dem.... and it only gets worse for them.


Too many people consuming more than they produce.
living off the backs of others.... :ohmygod:

[bondo]

Too many people buy into the Hype (http://hypemovie.com)

[Kennedy]

Ken how do you feel about this?

"The Practice Of Earmarking Grant Funding For State And Local Law Enforcement Must End And These Funds Must Be Awarded Based Upon Merit And Need"

John McCain Supports Reforming The Process For Funding State And Local Law Enforcement. John McCain supports federal funding for state and local law enforcement; however, rampant earmarking of federal funding to state and local law enforcement has reduced funding to many worthy law enforcement authorities and local jurisdictions. John McCain will restore credibility to these grant programs by ensuring funding is based on need and provided to the most worthy jurisdictions based on a peer-review of grant applications. "


Taken directly from his website.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/f26da5d0-8043-402d-ab84-769cf88a1a99.htm

[NYCSTRIPES]

I have no specific feelings either way about it, when we get Federal money sometimes it comes with so many strings attached that its not worth it. I am sure that some of this came from all the grumbling that followed 9-11 with NYC and other cities getting lots of Federal assistance money wise for stepped up patrols of the financial district and seaports.

I work in an agency that gets federal $$ for lots of things even before 9-11, if they took it away, we'd still be OK since we have the tax base to suport ourselves.

Some agencies don't have enough tax revenue to even have a local police agency and are solely covered by their respective State Police. They also need Federal money just to be able to buy patrol cars. The needs of the thousands of agencies varies so greatly, its hard to know where to begin to explain it. Port cities like NYC, Baltimore, New Orleans and Miami may get Fed money for increased water patrol capability. Cities like Indianapolis may get money for new cars, new cops salaries or something else entirely. It is incredibly large and the agency itself has to apply for funds explaining their specific needs. He's promising to deliver funds after a harder scrutiny..I have no problem with that.

Same thing goes for Federal money coming into the State for highway modernization...the Fed will only grand a state money to improve highways if they'll enforce the "55MPH- Stay Alive" .. not every state believes in that. If they don't play ball with the Feds, they don't get the financial assistance leaving the State to get it done by themselves.

Ken

[Kennedy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_HcBQfPDto



First of all I am not democrat or republican nor do I think any of the candidates is the ideal one. However I have mixed reactions to this video.

On one hand, its nice to see the old McCain for a bit, as I think he finds this character stuff distasteful and just can't stomach what his campaign has been doing any more (either that or the fact that its backfiring on him in the polls is getting to be too much).

Secondly the look of sheer disgust on his face just nails the sentiment most (intelligent)republicans should be feeling when they hear those statements. People have let this go beyond control of what really lays at hand. The political issues. Yes the background of each individual should be taken into high consideration but this kind of politics is just cut throat. I think the founding fathers are turning in their graves at this moment.

[NYCSTRIPES]

Chris
those are valid points. Politics is cut throat business and anyone who thinks its played fair and on the level is living in some other world. Its been dirty business since the time of the ancient Greeks. Lots of back door BS and back stabbing.

As far as what's going on today, maybe McCain can run a more polite campaign but maybe in the next few weeks some more sleepy minded Americans will wake up and begin to take notice of the media freight train that is seemingly pushing for Obama to occupy the White House.

On the other hand, maybe its McCain who fired the first shot in the closing weeks. I really doubt it if the Obama campaign is not prepared to sling some mud in the other direction. Its that being ahead in most of the BS polls allows him the luxury of not having to.

Vote,or loose the right to complain...at least to me..:)
Ken

[bondo]

.... Yes the background of each individual should be taken into high consideration but this kind of politics is just cut throat. I think the founding fathers are turning in their graves at this moment.

What would you have done?
McCain's in a tough spot. He knows the background issues need to be addressed. The media focused on a few choice hicks getting crazy and made it seem like the Republicans were out of control...

The valid and important issues concerning Obama's values have still not been addressed by him or his campaign. He says one thing, but his extreme voting record says another... what are we to believe?


Most people say all politicians are full of "it" so we can basically ignore what they say and look at their voting records and their actions and who they associate with. ( Wright 101 (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTQ0YjhlOGVhYjQ0OWRhZjI2MmM4NTQ4NGM5Mjg0MzU) )

Lookup the guy who raised Obama - Frank Marshal Davis (http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=Frank+Marshal+Davis+obama&btnG=Google+Search)

Interesting article - What If Obama Doesn't Have America's Best Interests at Heart? (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/what_if_obama_doesnt_have_amer.html)

Wall Street Journal's take on Obama's Tax Plan - Article (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html)

[High_Revs_17]

He denounced his former muslim faith but forgot to change his name to Barry...closet muslim?

[Kennedy]

What would you have done?
McCain's in a tough spot. He knows the background issues need to be addressed. The media focused on a few choice hicks getting crazy and made it seem like the Republicans were out of control...

The valid and important issues concerning Obama's values have still not been addressed by him or his campaign. He says one thing, but his extreme voting record says another... what are we to believe?


Article (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html)

Thanks for the links I've never see the Wall Street one.....I don't know what I would have done I'm not in that position. There probably isn't anyway around it other than to be cut throat it's true. But as you can see from the video people can only go so far McCain being one of them.

[FDNYDANO18]

Great.... This Muthafucker is gonna take another $10,000 a year from me on top of the $25,000 the Feds already take.... but at least I'll loose my healthcare for the "Free Clinic" "quality" Healthcare in return :moocow:

I'm gonna fuck somebody up if this cocksucker gets elected......

[NYCSTRIPES]

redistribution of "your" wealth to those that need it more...socialism at its best.
Ken

[carl_g]

Let me preface this by saying I am not an obama supporter and will vote against him just because I don't agree with his tax policy or the extreme environmentalists that are tied to his party.. I also don't like to play robin hood or believe in wealth distribution.
Saying that...
All this talking about socialism.. let us not forget that this recent nationalization of banks, the 2 biggest mortgage companies, and the one of the biggest insurance companies is happening under a Republican administration.

Also, no matter who gets elected, their hands will be tied behind their backs due to what has come into play over the last 3 weeks. They will be inheriting the largest national debt ever along with this new, almost trillion dollar bailout.
Taxes will go up for everyone no matter who is elected..IMO...It's what happens on top of that which scares me.

[NYCSTRIPES]

Yes
the President is a Republican and possibly a weak one, but the House and Senate are Democratically controlled since 2006 and that is what is very important to remember. They make policy and law as well as fumble around and do nothing when things need to be done like the inaction about the warnings about Fannie/Freddie. Listening to Masshole Barney Frank explain the meltdown of the Fannie/Freddie is apalling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAuOEdttjZQ

http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aVPBaUbYV_qQ

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080915184100AAPNfc2

[NYCSTRIPES]

ACORN and Obama...vote early, vote often...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9JUWFJ-3Ug

[NYCSTRIPES]

One of the things I have been saying for a long time.. an uneducated voter is like giving a retard a loaded gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

[JasonB]

One of the things I have been saying for a long time.. an uneducated voter is like giving a retard a loaded gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

If you honestly believe that. You are more closed minded than i thought....

[NYCSTRIPES]

Jase
I'm not closed minded. I think that this can happen anywhere to anyone. Howard Stern who I am no fan of picked this place to do this.

I fully believe that it would have worked out exactly the same if done in reverse anyplace else.

I believe firmly that people should invest some time into the process of voting and understand their candidates and and what can happen by simply throwing a lever in an election booth. I have always considered it a priviledge to vote and maybe some of the crap they teach in school nowadays might be better put aside to allow kids to become a little more educated about the government around them.

Ken

[RQuinn]

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher whose
hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a
conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Sarah
Palin and her bid to be a heartbeat away from being President.

The old rancher said 'well, ya know, Palin is a post turtle.' Not being
familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a post turtle is. The
old rancher said, 'when your driving down a country road and you come
across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle'

The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctors face, so he continued
to explain...You know she didn't get up there by herself, she doesn't
belong up there, she doesn't know what to do while she is up there, and
you just wonder what kind of dumb ass put her up there to begin with.

[High_Revs_17]

In the interest of helping establish a strong base for the free market years back it shouldn't have been any sort of big surprise by today that this ideal would include the world market, which in that case is far from socialism. However it's difficult for anyone making well over a half a million dollars a year to determine tax rates for the larger percentage of a nation who's income is far less than that, and any attempts to further mend it is either socialism or democracy. Damned if you do, damned if you don't...such as life this situation is about moderation, it's not a sprint but a very long marathon, and we all need our chance to catch a breath and keep the pace. One of the only good things out of this horrible mess are the fuel prices, which seem to be trickling down to what their actual worth per barrel was in the first place.

[bondo]

One of the things I have been saying for a long time.. an uneducated voter is like giving a retard a loaded gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

holy crap that's a good one... :roflmao:
and yes, you could do that same thing with voters who think it's as easy as choosing the "red or blue team"

[bondo]

Let me preface this by saying I am not an obama supporter and will vote against him just because I don't agree with his tax policy or the extreme environmentalists that are tied to his party.. I also don't like to play robin hood or believe in wealth distribution.
Saying that...
All this talking about socialism.. let us not forget that this recent nationalization of banks, the 2 biggest mortgage companies, and the one of the biggest insurance companies is happening under a Republican administration...


the lines are blurred between the parties these days....
Bush is all over the place trying to please too many people. Our "leaders" aren't really leaders anymore. They are busy FOLLOWING what the vocal minority wants.

If you look closely at some issues, Obama is closer to Bush than McCain is :ohmygod:
Amnesty for example: Obama voted WITH BUSH FOR illegal immigrant worker amnesty and guest work programs. see Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (voted down by republicans and dems)

and McCain leans more to the left with some environmental issues... see "Cap and Trade". he was quoted something like, "who cares if global warming is proven or not, isn't it a good idea to keep the air clean?"... more of a reasonable, middle of the road position. He's not one to close forests, etc


extreme in either direction (right or left) is wrong.
With Pelosi and other democrat controlled branches of gov't... put Obama in the driver's seat and we are screwed.


We already have WAY too many people want the government to take care of them... that 's NOT what our government is for. Didn't work for Cuba, Russia or even Canada.

McCain is much closer to being someone who wants to keep the gov't out of my wallet and out of my life

[bondo]

You want Obama's government run healthcare and other failing social services?

Quick story:
My retired parents just got back from a vacation in the Canadian Rockies.
My father spoke to people up there and everyone told him the same thing...
taxes are far higher than in the USA (for now) and while they get "free" medical care, they wait 20 weeks to get a cat scan.
Easily accessible, privately run cat scans here in the states saved my dad's life because he caught his cancer soon enough. If he had to wait 20 weeks, he'd would not be around.

Looking into it further... Washington (as an example) is overrun with Canadians going there for MRI and CatScans

[CBRBob]

http://blogs4mccain.com/2008/10/14/howard-stern-harlem-voters/

[redneckrider]

I guess when Obama gets elected i will quit my job and let the high rollers support me. Maybe have my gf squirt out a couple of kids so we can get a couple thousand more every month.

I work with primarily black people, and not a single one can give me honest, well informed reasons as to why they are going to vote for Obama, and yes, they all claim to be voting for Obama. This is ironic because we all work in the oilfield, which has never done well during a democratic presidency. Sort of like shooting yourself in the foot isnt it? It seems like no one wants to hear about universal healthcare and how bad it is, or increasing foreign aid and the added strain it will put on taxpayers. Of course people who are recieving gov't aid want to see Obama elected, because he wants to help them out even more. What about me? Because i worked hard in 4 years of college and now fall squarely into the upper middle class i should be discriminated against? Why, because i am successful? Anyone who believes that he will only increase taxes on people making more then 250,000 a year are only fooling themselves. The only way to support his massive social programs is to take more from everyone.

Oh, and to the people who blame this whole credit crisis brought on by the housing crisis on the Bush Administration, please do a little research and learn that the framework for this entire mess was put into place by Clinton's administration in their attempt to get everyone into a house. This started the whole sub prime mortgage mess. Things like this dont happen overnight, or even in 8 years. They take time.

[FDNYDANO18]

I guess when Obama gets elected i will quit my job and let the high rollers support me. Maybe have my gf squirt out a couple of kids so we can get a couple thousand more every month.

I work with primarily black people, and not a single one can give me honest, well informed reasons as to why they are going to vote for Obama, and yes, they all claim to be voting for Obama. This is ironic because we all work in the oilfield, which has never done well during a democratic presidency. Sort of like shooting yourself in the foot isnt it? It seems like no one wants to hear about universal healthcare and how bad it is, or increasing foreign aid and the added strain it will put on taxpayers. Of course people who are recieving gov't aid want to see Obama elected, because he wants to help them out even more. What about me? Because i worked hard in 4 years of college and now fall squarely into the upper middle class i should be discriminated against? Why, because i am successful? Anyone who believes that he will only increase taxes on people making more then 250,000 a year are only fooling themselves. The only way to support his massive social programs is to take more from everyone.

Oh, and to the people who blame this whole credit crisis brought on by the housing crisis on the Bush Administration, please do a little research and learn that the framework for this entire mess was put into place by Clinton's administration in their attempt to get everyone into a house. This started the whole sub prime mortgage mess. Things like this dont happen overnight, or even in 8 years. They take time.

+1 000.

[bondo]

I guess when Obama gets elected i will quit my job and let the high rollers support me. Maybe have my gf squirt out a couple of kids so we can get a couple thousand more every month....


"Senator Obama's new and expanded tax credits for low-income taxpayers will certainly cut taxes for low-income people," explains Carroll, "but the credits are mostly recaptured from middle-income taxpayers. During this phase-out range, marginal tax rates shoot up, causing economically damaging side effects. As a result, for example, a family of four in the $30,000-to-$43,000 range would discover that for every additional dollar they earn, they pay more than 50 cents in income tax." - http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/23727.html


Here's a dyno chart for marginal taxes....
Note the -58% tax rate for people under $15-18,000 and note the deepened "poverty trap". They need a raise to $30-40k just to overcome HIS deepened tax trap.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/UserFiles/Image/Fiscal%20Facts/ff150figure2.jpg



Spread the wealth! what a crock :ohmygod:
the bottom 50% of wage earners already pay only 3% of the taxes.
the top 10% pay 68% of the taxes.
Take away 1% of that top 10% and WHO IS PAYING THE TAXES?


I'm a "typical white person (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvT70qIzUKo)" and I approve this message.

[bondo]

Spread the wealth?

Has anyone looked into Barack Obama's S.2433 : Global Poverty Act ?

.7% of OUR country's GDP (hundreds of Billions$$) would be dumped into the UN, on TOP of what we already dump into foreign countries.

The U.N. would have the power to increase this rate of taxation.
The bill would force the U.S. to sign onto the U.N.'s Millennium Declaration, which would commit us not only to "banning small arms and light weapons" but also to adhere to the International Criminal Court Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.

The Kenyan economics expert James Shikwati, 35, says that aid to Africa does more harm than good. The avid proponent of globalization spoke with SPIEGEL about the disastrous effects of Western development policy in Africa, corrupt rulers, and the tendency to overstate the AIDS problem.
- article (http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,363663,00.html)

[NYCSTRIPES]

Listen to the new audio about Obama speaking on a radio intervirew in 2001. Spreading the wealth seems to be one of his core beliefs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

[CBRBob]

Yesterday on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money". I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on an "Obama 08" Button, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence. When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--I pointed out the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was very grateful. At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient "lacked" the money more. I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

[NYCSTRIPES]

Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?

by Orson Scott Card

Editor's note: Orson Scott Card is a Democrat and a newspaper columnist, and in this opinion piece he takes on both while lamenting the current state of journalism.

October 20, 2008
An open letter to the local daily paper -- almost every local daily paper in America:

I remember reading All the President's Men and thinking: That's journalism. You do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before the public, because the public has a right to know.

This housing crisis didn't come out of nowhere. It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.

It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.

What is a risky loan? It's a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.

The goal of this rule change was to help the poor -- which especially would help members of minority groups. But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can't repay? They get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house -- along with their credit rating.

They end up worse off than before.

This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it. One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules. The other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.

Furthermore, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. (Though why quasi-federal agencies were allowed to do so baffles me. It's as if the Pentagon were allowed to contribute to the political campaigns of congressmen who support increasing their budget.)

Isn't there a story here? Doesn't journalism require that you who produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700 billion bailout? Aren't you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefiting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?

I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a vast scandal. "Housing-gate," no doubt. Or "Fannie-gate."

Instead, it was Sen. Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.

As Thomas Sowell points out in a TownHall.com essay entitled "Do Facts Matter?" (http://snipurl.com/457to): "Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury."

These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.

Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie. Instead, you criticized Republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!

What? It's not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?

Now let's follow the money ... right to the presidential candidate who is the number two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.

And after Fred Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing.

If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, you would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.

But instead, that candidate was Barack Obama, and so you have buried this story, and when the McCain campaign dared to call Raines an "adviser" to the Obama campaign -- because that campaign had sought his advice -- you actually let Obama's people get away with accusing McCain of lying, merely because Raines wasn't listed as an official adviser to the Obama campaign.

You would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a Republican.

If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including Obama.

If you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you would find it unbearable to let the American people believe that somehow Republicans were to blame for this crisis.

There are precedents. Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension -- so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link. (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)

If you had any principles, then surely right now, when the American people are set to blame President Bush and John McCain for a crisis they tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of Barack Obama because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as hard to correct that false impression.

Your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth. That's what you claim you do, when you accept people's money to buy or subscribe to your paper.

But right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie -- that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain and the Republicans. You have trained the American people to blame everything bad -- even bad weather -- on Bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.

If you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth -- even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate.

Because that's what honorable people do. Honest people tell the truth even when they don't like the probable consequences. That's what honesty means. That's how trust is earned.

Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time -- and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.

Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter -- while you ignored the story of John Edwards' own adultery for many months.

So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all? Do you even know what honesty means?

Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?

You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women (NOW) threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. Who listens to NOW anymore? We know they stand for nothing; they have no principles.

That's where you are right now.

It's not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.

If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.

Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.

You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis. You will tell the truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.

This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.

If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe -- and vote as if -- President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.

If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats -- including Barack Obama -- and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans -- then you are not journalists by any standard.

You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a daily newspaper in our city.

[Jon FZ1]

I made up this little road sign to tell the story.

[Jon FZ1]

Yesterday on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money". I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on an "Obama 08" Button, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence. When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--I pointed out the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was very grateful. At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient "lacked" the money more. I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

Awesome! :roflmao:

[CBRBob]

They have a t-shirt for all you obama voters.... HERE (http://www.zazzle.com/obama_ussa_t_shirt-235117931620172624)

[NYCSTRIPES]

I wonder how long before Obama has to start tap dancing about his possible dirty connections to the Illinois Governor Blagojevich (soon to be federal inmate) and what Tony Rezko has been singing about to the Feds....?

Change you can belive in?? Not really.