Nicky Hayden

[Kennedy]

*** Official Hayden Fan Excuses for 2007. ***
1- He's distracted because everyone wants to talk to him.
2- Fairing is too small.
3- Rossi is testing new parts, making his bike faster.

4- I'm too busy watching NASCAR.

[SAXON117]

From Champ to Chump:lol:

[Kennedy]

Wacka Wacka

[SPRHK]

Champ or chump, what does it matter??? Atleast he has the talent to be there, unlike you talentless fuckers. Always looking for a way to bash someone to make your insignificant self feel better in the world. You guys are fucking rediculous................................:wtf: :nono: :nono: :nono:

[Kennedy]

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed :)


http://joymachine.typepad.com/northern_planner/images/grumpy.jpg

[SAXON117]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You know that wouldn't have been funny but it did come out of YOUR mouth

[SPL170db]

I wish he was doing better, but I'm not going to bash him.


What I read is that his riding style is not suited to the new 800cc bike. Nicky was a dirt tracker and his style was more aggressive of backing and sliding it in and powering off the corner, something that he could get away with on the 990cc bike.

http://www.windsofchange.net/Hayden.JPG

The 800's seem to reward riders that maintain higher and more consistent corner speeds due to their lighter weight and slightly lesser HP. Something that guys coming off the 250's not too long ago seem to do well with (i.e. Stoner, Pedrobot).

[Kennedy]

Well the real talent of a true skilled rider is being able to adapt in all situations. Not that Nicky isn't a skilled rider.

[SAXON117]

I just like busting on Nicky because SPRHK is gay for him:lol:

[IrocRob]

Okay, so I'm a Hayden fan, but I can't help reminding everyone
that all Rossi had to do to win the championship in 2006 was to
keep his bike on two wheels....:ride:

[Lucky7]

Some First Time Champions that did not repeat after winning their first GP Championship. This is in recent history. They were some of the world's best riders. I'd say Nicky is in pretty good company.

2000 Kenny ROBERTS Jr. (USA), Suzuki RGV500 GP 500
1993 Kevin SCHWANTZ (USA), Suzuki RGV500 GP 500
1986 Eddie LAWSON (USA), Yamaha YZR500
1983 Freddie SPENCER (USA), Honda NS500 GP 500

http://www.motorsportsetc.com/champs/motogp.htm

At this level the talent is tremendous and the competition is fierce. Kevin Schwantz won only 1 championship and never repeated. He's still one of the greatest American riders to ever throw a leg on the bike. Max Biaggi who's never won a title in the premier class is doing quite well in WSB. Nicky Hayden is arguably the best American rider in premier class.

[Kennedy]

:moocow: I guess Rossi didn't win 5 titles in a row?

Or does he not count b/c he isn't american?

[Lucky7]

:moocow: I guess Rossi didn't win 5 titles in a row?

Or does he not count b/c he isn't american?

So you argument why Hayden isn't competitive this year is "Nicky sucks, Rossi rules?"

Dude, Rossi is probably the greatest GP champion, having won a championship in all classes and 2 different manufacturers in the Premier class. You can't compare him to Hayden. You'd have to compare him to the all-time greats like Agostini, Doohan, or Hailwood in order to be in the same ballpark. Hell, I'm a Rossi fan. All I'm saying is it isn't all that easy to win a championship and repeat the year afterward.

[Kennedy]

So you argument why Hayden isn't competitive this year is "Nicky sucks, Rossi rules?"

Dude, Rossi is probably the greatest GP champion, having won a championship in all classes and 2 different manufacturers in the Premier class. You can't compare him to Hayden. You'd have to compare him to the all-time greats like Agostini, Doohan, or Hailwood in order to be in the same ballpark. Hell, I'm a Rossi fan. All I'm saying is it isn't all that easy to win a championship and repeat the year afterward.

I wasn't making any arguement I was just asking why Rossi was left out of the equation.

I already knew everything you just stated :lol:

I was just wondering why Rossi wasn't included in some of the worlds best Riders :roflmao:

[Xracer264]

Some First Time Champions that did not repeat after winning their first GP Championship. This is in recent history. They were some of the world's best riders. I'd say Nicky is in pretty good company.

2000 Kenny ROBERTS Jr. (USA), Suzuki RGV500 GP 500
1993 Kevin SCHWANTZ (USA), Suzuki RGV500 GP 500
1986 Eddie LAWSON (USA), Yamaha YZR500
1983 Freddie SPENCER (USA), Honda NS500 GP 500

http://www.motorsportsetc.com/champs/motogp.htm

At this level the talent is tremendous and the competition is fierce. Kevin Schwantz won only 1 championship and never repeated. He's still one of the greatest American riders to ever throw a leg on the bike. Max Biaggi who's never won a title in the premier class is doing quite well in WSB. Nicky Hayden is arguably the best American rider in premier class.

NOT this year...... John Hopkins is the best American in the class....

[fire83tug]

Hey, I like Rossi, I like Hayden, I like all of Moto GP. And what the hell....they are all better than me. Hayden is an excellent rider, just having trouble adapting to the new bike. You just can't throw away your support of an excellent American rider because he is doing bad this year. Last time I checked the Yankees weren't doing so hot either. :nopity:

[Lucky7]

NOT this year...... John Hopkins is the best American in the class....

Good for the kid. He's really had some tough luck with injuries, tire problems, and bike problems for the last few seasons. Its good to see Hopper and Suzuki finally competitive in the 800cc era. It just makes the field so much more interesting.

[Mike295]

"I won a MOTO GP CHAMPIONSHIP and BEAT ROSSI so fuck off"

[ffejtable]

:moocow: I guess Rossi didn't win 5 titles in a row?

Or does he not count b/c he isn't american?

He (Rossi) wasnt included in the list because it specifically says recent champs that did NOT repeat... last I checked Rossi repeated himself over and over.... quite a few times in fact...

[EvilSteve]

Hey, everyone'll hate me but IDGF, Hayden is a top 10 or top 5 rider, he's not as good as a bunch of guys in GP. I'm not down on American riders, I'd love to see Edwards pick his game up but he may not get the chance if rumours that he's done after this year are true. Hopkins is good and needs to get some consistency and stop crashing. He seems to be doing pretty well at that this season which is good. I'm sure it annoys the crap out of him that every time he gets a good result Vermeulen goes one better (even though Hopkins is in front in points). I've never liked Hayden but that's probably because he's hardly won any races (he's up to what, 3 or 4 now?) and his championship was a technical win AFAIC. Yeah, he did well and deserved it because he obviously had the most points at the end of the year but talk about uninspiring wins. I know a lot of people don't care how you win the championship but for me, the best rider should win, not the guy with the most points. Most of the time the two are the same but I don't think that was the case last year. I guess it's kind of 80/20, 80% rider, 20% bike. Stoner for example is winning but Rossi's still a better rider but Yamaha hasn't given him a good enough bike IMO. Hayden's championship was more about reliability than actual speed. Yeah I know he had clutch problems, everyone else had more serious issues and more DNFs. Not to mention that all the main contenders for the title were taken out in the Catalunya crash by Sete Crashernau, missed races and then were injured when running several other races.

Did he deserve the championship? Yep.
Was he the best rider? Nope.
Is his form thus far this year indicative of his actual skill? Nope.
Should he have stayed at Honda? No fucking way.

The writing was on the wall last year, Honda was always going to favor Pedrobot, I feel genuinely sad for Nicky that he's still with those assholes. He had an offer to go to Ducati too. Ah well, maybe the new chassis stuff (that they gave to Pedrobot first!!!) will work better for him and he'll improve. I don't think he's going to do any better this year in terms of wins though. Maybe Laguna but we'll see.

I still can't believe that Honda would do such a poor job of supporting their reigning world champion it's really quite disgusting.

[Lucky7]

Should he have stayed at Honda? No fucking way.

I still can't believe that Honda would do such a poor job of supporting their reigning world champion it's really quite disgusting.

I personally don't think Hayden should have stayed w/ HRC but I'm not sure it is Honda. It's more likely Repsol pushing the sponsorship button.

[EvilSteve]

That may be so but it's still totally wrong. Talk about giving the guy the least help to do well. It's fucked up.

[SPL170db]

I personally don't think Hayden should have stayed w/ HRC but I'm not sure it is Honda. It's more likely Repsol pushing the sponsorship button.



Agreed. The satellite Gresini Hondas of Melandri and Elias are doing better than Haydens full factory Repsol.

Current Standings
1 Casey Stoner 140
2 Valentino Rossi 126
3 Dani Pedrosa 98
4 Marco Melandri 75
5 Chris Vermeulen 72
6 John Hopkins 72
7 Loris Capirossi 57
8 Alex Barros 51
9 Tony Elias 45
10 Colin Edwards 45

[Kennedy]

I created a monster :lol:

[EvilSteve]

Oh, Vermeulen is in front of Hopper, I guess that's only because he has a win. So, in terms of American riders in GP, Hayden is last, or 3rd if you want to be nice... I don't. LOL

[SAXON117]

I created a monster :lol:




:lol: :lol: Damn right you did! :lol: :lol:

[Ant]

Stoner's the real deal. He showed it last year but was inconsistent due to crashes. This year he has the speed and patience to bring it home.

BTW, I'm a Hayden fan but I feel really let down this year.

[Cakes206]

Amazing how much rain tires suck on a dry race line. Crazy when they have to actually look for water to cool em off.

[SAXON117]

Edwards did a great job