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ronin_01r1
06-06-2005, 08:58 PM
got this from another forum. i think it has a lot of good basic info.

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Originally posted by mity mouse
Chain Maintenance 101 - The Care and Feeding of Your Chain - or - How to love your chain the Mity Mouse way!

How to clean, maintain & adjust your chain:

Clean the chain & sprockets with a rag sprayed with some WD-40. I spray the rag rather than the chain in order to prevent WD-40 overspray on the rear tire, etc.
I like to use an old sock - it covers the whole hand, then just wipe away at everything. WD-40 is also the best thing I've seen to clean the chain lube off the swingarm, chain guard & rear wheel, etc. It leaves everything perfectly clean and shiny, with a light film to resist the chain lube in the future.
Some folks like to use only the WD-40 to clean and lube the chain, based on the theory that the O-rings keep the grease inside, but I feel more confident with actual chain lube inside the unsealed pin / roller. I use Maxima Chain Wax and highly recommend it. There is practically no fling or greasy build-up. WD-40 is not really a lubricant, and certainly has no sheer strength like a product designed for the purpose.
Clean the chain and everything thoroughly with the WD-40. Go ride for a while. When you get back, the chain will be warm.
The heat will have allowed the steel parts to expand, slightly increasing the space for the chain lube to flow inside the roller. The heat will also warm the lube itself, increasing it's penetration.
Immediately after your ride wipe the chain down thoroughly with a clean, dry rag to remove any excess crud while it's easy to wipe off.
Then, while the chain is still warm, carefully spray a small amount of chain lube directly onto each roller - try to get the small gaps between the roller and the sideplates. There's no need to get the O-rings. The WD-40 will have lubed them sufficiently, and getting chain lube on them will only increase the fling-off and attract more dirt.
You want to lube the inside run of the chain - If you look at your chain from the side it's a big loop - lube the top side of the bottom run (the part that actually makes contact with the sprockets).
If you do not have a center stand or swingarm stand to support the back wheel off the ground you will need to back the bike up several times to get the whole chain.
After cleaning & lubing, park your bike for the night, allowing everything to cool, and the chain lube will set up.
Before your next ride, simply wipe the chain and sprockets again with a dry rag, or SLIGHTLY moistened with the WD-40. The overnite setup, and pre-ride wipe down will nearly eliminate lube fling.
After a good cleaning, there will continue to be some fling for a while from the residual WD-40. Continue to wipe the chain & everything else daily. and do not add any more WD-40 until after the fling stops, and then use it sparingly. Daily lubing and wiping will keep things very clean thereafter, and the fling will be negligible. You should rarely need to do the WD-40 cleaning routine.
Your chain should always have a slight gleam & clean shine, but not dripping lube; it should appear clean and new - NEVER dry!!
Believe me, this way seems like more hassle, but it's MUCH cleaner.
This whole procedure is actually simpler to do than it is to describe. Once you get the hang of it, it only takes a couple minutes and everything stays pretty clean.
The other critical aspect of proper chain maintenance is adjustment. Consult your owner's manual for the manufacturers recommended procedure.
Basically, find the approximate center of the bottom run of the chain, between sprockets. Grab the chain with two fingers and move it up and down. It should have about 1 1/2 inches of vertical travel from the highest point to the lowest. It's OK to eyeball - a slightly loose (but properly lubricated) chain is better than too tight. Slightly loose allows the rear suspension to work freely throughout it's full travel.
After adjustment, sight down the chain line from the rear of the bike looking forward along the top of the chain towards the countershaft sprocket. the rear spocket should appear to be lined up directly behind the countershaft sprocket, with the chain centered over both sprockets.
There are some other more precise ways to check the alignment using several measurements and a couple devices, but if you're careful this is all that's really necessary on the street. If you have a swingarm stand, rotate the rear wheel in neutral, and you'll be able to see this clearly.
Checking chain wear: The simplest way to check is to pinch the chain between two fingers, at the rear of the rear sprocket (the 3 o'clock position when viewed from the side), and pull the chain directly off the sprocket. You should not be able to see more than 1/2 of the base of a sprocket tooth at the biggest gap. The sprocket teeth should also not appear sharply pointed, extremely rounded, or chipped.
When you decide it's time to replace the chain due to wear, the chain and BOTH sprockets should also be replaced at the same time. Consider a new chain to be a package deal, unless both sprockets are showing no wear, or very little wear. This is rarely the case on streetbikes.
Racers may encounter this because they may change sprockets frequently to adjust gearing for a particular track or conditions.
Sprockets are relatively cheap, the big cost is the chain. Stick with steel sprockets for durability unless you are racing or have invested in lightweight aftermarket wheels.
The chain is one of the hardest working, yet most neglected parts of a motorcycle.
Follow this regimen after every ride, or whenever the chain appears dry & dull, and you'll have many miles of trouble-free service from your chain, with no worries about it breaking suddenly. Every time you service your chain (before & after every ride) you are also inspecting it. You'll know it's worn and time for replacement, long before sudden failure becomes a concern. I've gotten well over 30,000 miles from an RK chain on a hard-ridden FJ1200 (big, heavy & powerful), used in all weather, with a passenger, as well as many other chains on other bikes.
The maintenance is really quite simple, fairly clean, and only takes a few minutes, if you follow the procedures above.
Lube after the ride; wipe it down before the ride; adjust periodically, and clean the swingarm & wheel occasionally as necessary.

May your chain have a long and happy life!
MM

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before the cleaning, my chain was actually black. i lubed the chain after every ride, but never bothered to actually clean it until now. this is mine now. what's yours look like?

http://x05.xanga.com/a9b8415a500327698727/b6139102.jpg

CBRBob
06-06-2005, 11:03 PM
Mine looks like that all the time without wd-40 or kerosene BS. I use Maxima chain wax when the chain is warm. Spray it on, wipe it off with a clean rag. Then spray it once more. Done!

lu380
07-02-2006, 02:49 PM
My chain looks like an ashtray that was left outside in the rain. I better get off my lazy a$$ and clean it.

AfricanBootyScratcher
07-02-2006, 04:01 PM
generally, wd-40 is NOT recommended for o-ring chains. According to almost every owner's manual, the recommended chemical for cleaning a chain is Kerosene.

Marker54
07-02-2006, 04:57 PM
New at this but def know that a lubed chain is the difference between night & day!! Def keep up with it, regardless of the product...currently using Lucas.

IrocRob
07-02-2006, 05:04 PM
Maxima Chain Wax & Cable Lube :thumbup: :thumbup:

Works great & stays in place - I use this every week.

(I use paper towels behind the lower section of chain to avoid making a mess.)

Shelly
07-02-2006, 05:13 PM
Great info....was just thinking about this when I went to WCW the other day. Thanks for tidbit ;)

High_Revs_17
07-02-2006, 10:31 PM
Do not use WD-40, only chain cleaners/lubes should be used that won't effect/damange the O/X rings over time. A properly cleaned, lubed & tensioned chain can make a world of difference with performance on your bike ranging from smoother shifts & acceleration to increased fuel mileage & sprocket life.

lu380
07-05-2006, 07:47 PM
Well I finally cleaned my chain, and managed to make a giant mess all over my garage floor. I used kerosene, a paint brush, some rags, and a plastic cup to dip the brush in the kerosene.

The plastic cup was where I made my mistake. It was your typical red Solo cup like the kind you get at keg parties. The kerosene ate a hole through the bottom of the cup within 10 minutes and leaked all over the floor. Don't be a dumbass like me, use a glass container!

Cakes206
07-05-2006, 08:01 PM
Well I finally cleaned my chain, and managed to make a giant mess all over my garage floor. I used kerosene, a paint brush, some rags, and a plastic cup to dip the brush in the kerosene.

The plastic cup was where I made my mistake. It was your typical red Solo cup like the kind you get at keg parties. The kerosene ate a hole through the bottom of the cup within 10 minutes and leaked all over the floor. Don't be a dumbass like me, use a glass container!

Check out this stuff too (http://sportbikeaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2458&highlight=chain).

ronin_01r1
07-05-2006, 11:45 PM
http://www.tobefast.com/images/chainbrush_01.jpg

this might help too.

CBRBob
07-06-2006, 07:01 AM
Don't EVER usa a grunge brush. It will clean the chain beautifully! Along with tearing up the o-rings!

Rock712
07-06-2006, 07:33 AM
Chains are for morons!!!!!

ronin_01r1
07-06-2006, 08:59 AM
Don't EVER usa a grunge brush. It will clean the chain beautifully! Along with tearing up the o-rings!

oh crap. really? good thing i didn't buy it! i was considering it. i'll have to stick to what has worked for me in the past. :nod2:

Cakes206
07-06-2006, 09:06 AM
oh crap. really? good thing i didn't buy it! i was considering it. i'll have to stick to what has worked for me in the past. :nod2:
Seriously consider Chain Clean 611 by Motorex...I was really amazed on how the crap was just falling out from everwhere. Made it look brand new, people asked if I got a new chain. I should of took a pic :ohmygod:

sonny
07-07-2006, 12:37 PM
Forgive me if I'm wrong.. O Ring chains cant be 'lubed' since that shit is internal? Whats the point of lubing it?

gottaducati
07-07-2006, 02:02 PM
my bad, but why cant i used WD40 to clean my chain again?

IrocRob
07-07-2006, 05:26 PM
Forgive me if I'm wrong.. O Ring chains cant be 'lubed' since that shit is internal? Whats the point of lubing it?

You're not wrong, but the seals are not exactly perfect on
chains. You clean them to keep the crud from building up
and then being forced past the seals.

You should use something like Maxima Chain Lube to
soften the abuse that chains receive as they spin around
those hardened steel countershaft sprokets.

If you take a short ride with a dry chain, and then clean
and lube the chain properly, you will hear and feel the difference.

WD-40 is not recommended for cleaning chains because
the solvent may not be compatible with the seals within the chain.
But I've used it for years for cleaning chains and never had any trouble.

soda7o
07-07-2006, 05:35 PM
wd 40 is th eshit i clean my entire biek with it .. chain included.. but honestly i clean my chain once a year.. ehh

skid vicious
07-07-2006, 07:07 PM
i use kerosene and a nylon bristled toilet brush i bought from walmart. works like a charm.

Tonupboy
08-03-2006, 09:45 PM
I used camping fuel (the clear stuff), old tooth brush, some rags, and Bel Ray chain wax...works for me...

causef0rconcern
08-04-2006, 01:45 AM
The belray stuff flings like mad on my bike, but maybe that's because I just spray it on and I'm done...

This is good information since I didn't catch the last thread. I would go out and clean my nasty, thick, black-grime covered chain but I'm getting a new one shortly so fuggit.

Cakes206
08-04-2006, 08:45 AM
The belray stuff flings like mad on my bike, but maybe that's because I just spray it on and I'm done...
Also, sometimes what ends up happeneing is that people will use way more than they need...just ask Jase :ohmygod:

JimRBlue
08-04-2006, 09:18 AM
I thought one could never have too much lube.,,..

:whistle:

:take_it:

Rev
08-04-2006, 12:57 PM
Chains are for morons!!!!!


bmw's use rubberbands...

Rev
08-04-2006, 12:59 PM
Do not use WD-40, only chain cleaners/lubes should be used that won't effect/damange the O/X rings over time. A properly cleaned, lubed & tensioned chain can make a world of difference with performance on your bike ranging from smoother shifts & acceleration to increased fuel mileage & sprocket life.

http://www.montreal.anglican.org/kidstuff/media/images/preacher.GIF

causef0rconcern
08-04-2006, 01:23 PM
What kind of chain and sprocket should I buy for my bike? Fuggin thing sounds like a freght train between my legs when I'm moving.

Cakes206
08-04-2006, 02:40 PM
What kind of chain and sprocket should I buy for my bike? Fuggin thing sounds like a freght train between my legs when I'm moving.
DIDERV3 chain w/Afam sprockets.

JasonB
08-04-2006, 03:08 PM
Also, sometimes what ends up happeneing is that people will use way more than they need...just ask Jase :ohmygod:
Yeah...dont use too much lube on the chain. It will fling like a mother, no matter what lube you use.

Jon FZ1
08-28-2006, 12:59 PM
I'm one that doesn't buy into the "WD-40 kills o-rings" claim. The MSDS on WD-40 lists that it's primary ingredient is an aliphaltic distilate which basically means something very similiar to or maybe even Kerosene.

All I can say about that is that my last chain never saw a single drop of lube for it's whole life...18K miles and I changed it... all free links with all of the o-rings in place and looking good. Turns out the spec Yamaha provided for chain stretch was so conservative that even my new OEM chain exceeded the wear spec out of the box.

PiPeManNYC
04-17-2008, 11:06 PM
my chain has a bit of rust on it.. and i wanted to replace it.. wanted to know what difference a new chain and srocket wold do and what would you guys reccomend. i have an 02 gsxr 600.. thanks

JimRBlue
04-18-2008, 10:42 AM
my chain has a bit of rust on it.. and i wanted to replace it.. wanted to know what difference a new chain and srocket wold do and what would you guys reccomend. i have an 02 gsxr 600.. thanks

I went with driven / afam sprockets. and an EK chain. Got the kit from Motomummy and was very pleased with it.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a188/resnikj/R6/Sprocket006.jpg

Shelly
04-27-2008, 10:35 AM
My chain's starting to rust as well on my Gix :(

High_Revs_17
04-27-2008, 01:46 PM
A properly maintained chain should never rust, just give them more attention people.

JimRBlue
04-28-2008, 01:53 PM
A properly maintained chain should never rust, just give them more attention people.


But rusty chains match bald tires no?? :doh:

Lazarus
11-24-2009, 01:20 PM
Seriously consider Chain Clean 611 by Motorex...I was really amazed on how the crap was just falling out from everwhere. Made it look brand new, people asked if I got a new chain. I should of took a pic :ohmygod:

This is what I use along with the 622? Chain Lube by Motorex.

skid vicious
11-24-2009, 04:18 PM
I LMAO at the guys who tell you that WD-40 will eat away at the o-rings/seals and then tell you that they use kerosene to clean their chains. MORONS

yb929rr
11-27-2009, 11:44 AM
is it true a hair dryer can be used to warm up the chain?

600k2
11-27-2009, 12:00 PM
I went with driven / afam sprockets. and an EK chain. Got the kit from Motomummy and was very pleased with it.

excellent choice! me too. :ride:

i use the DuPont teflon dry wax lube regularly and have 5k miles on this chain so far. I just wish the master link was blue too

i was using a different sprocket in this pic, but am back to the steel drive systems now

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/t01blaze/bike/IMG_0196.jpg

600k2
11-27-2009, 12:02 PM
is it true a hair dryer can be used to warm up the chain?

I always take it for a short ride to get the chain warmed up.

always lube it after riding in the rain too

yb929rr
11-27-2009, 12:13 PM
I always take it for a short ride to get the chain warmed up.

always lube it after riding in the rain too

thanks, im just askin because i cant take mine for a ride. i try to spray it on after a track day but i was gonna clean it over the winter and was wondering how to warm it up.

LaFemmes
07-08-2010, 09:40 AM
I didnt read all this thread but, here is something more info on cleaning your chain.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g23/klm4755/o_ring/oringexcel.jpg

Lazarus
07-08-2010, 09:44 AM
So WD-40 = win

RCM78
07-08-2010, 10:55 AM
good info. WD-40 will not harm the o rings but it can work its way past the o rings and wash out the grease...

Lazarus
07-08-2010, 11:10 AM
That sounds just as bad. Is it? I use some can of chain cleaner, Motorex I think.

CBRBob
07-08-2010, 01:38 PM
Lube it and wipe it off (ENGINE OFF). Then relube it.

Jon FZ1
07-08-2010, 04:28 PM
generally, wd-40 is NOT recommended for o-ring chains. According to almost every owner's manual, the recommended chemical for cleaning a chain is Kerosene.

I have never been able to find a single document that exposed the potential damage to o-rings. I decided to take it upon myself to do a little searching to see if there is any type of evidence to support these claims. Here is what I found.

I contacted RK Chain using their "Live Chat" function on their web page:

Jon: Can you tell me the type of rubber used in the o-ring seals of your chains? Is it Buna, Nitrile, Butyl? Thanks, JonFZ1

You are next in queue.We will be with you in just a moment.
Technician Travis: Good morning
Technician Travis: Yes you are correct. Its called Nitrile Butadiene
Technician Travis: Is there anything else I can help you with?
Jon: Thanks for the fast response. You've answered my question perfectly.
Technician Travis: Excellent. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact us.

OK so Nitrile Butadiene is also called Buna-N and is a extremely common rubber used in various applications. Let's look at the compatability of this material with various materials. Luckily there is a excellent resource called eFunda that is a engineering fundamentals site that has an o-ring material comparison for compatabilty with various materials on a scale of 4.

(4) Good, both for static and dynamic seals
(3) Fair, usually OK for static seals
(2) Sometimes OK for static seals; not OK for dynamic seals
(1) Poor
(0) No Data

Now they don't specifically state WD-40, but they do have a classificaiton for a Stoddard Solvent which WD-40 is classified as.

The link shows full compatibility of Buna-N with this Stoddard Solvent - RATING 4
http://www.efunda.com/designstandar...d%20Solvent#mat


Let's break the WD-40 down: (Source Wikipedia since WD-40 MSDS site down)
* 50%: Stoddard solvent (mineral spirits, somewhat similar to, but not the same as, kerosene)
* 25%: Liquefied petroleum gas (presumably as a propellant, carbon dioxide is used now to reduce considerable flammability)
* 15+%: Mineral oil (light lubricating oil)
* 10-%: Inert ingredients

The link shows full compatibility of Buna-N with this Kerosene - RATING 4
http://www.efunda.com/designstandar...SC=Kerosene#mat

The link shows full compatibility of Buna-N with this Liquefied Petroleum Gas - RATING 4
http://www.efunda.com/designstandar...20%28LPG%29#mat

The link shows full compatibility of Buna-N with this Mineral Oil - RATING 4
http://www.efunda.com/designstandar...eral%20Oils#mat

Since there is poor evidence that I can find to show lack of compatibility of with WD-40, I have to believe that there is no negative effect of using WD-40 on a motorcycle chain equipped with o-rings.

Fuzy_GSXR1000
12-27-2011, 09:11 PM
Wow that was really good reading....LOL:ohmygod:

CBRBob
12-28-2011, 08:13 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_30-sk8zaaQM/SzywrRI_o2I/AAAAAAAACME/xD3-JnmYhi8/s400/MERRY_NEW_YEAR.jpg